Originally about tariffs and watches ... now just political rambling

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Zero chance in hell that an increase in manual labor would narrow the wealth gap.
Exactly. Most manual labor jobs are low wage unless the labor is unionized which is another dirty word in the US.

I think the best way to narrow the wage gap is through tax law (close carried interest loophole, fix the death tax, remove the cap on wages for social security wage tax).
 
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Zero chance in hell that an increase in manual labor would narrow the wealth gap.
Yeah, I don't get it either. Why the big emphasis on bringing manufacturing back? Nostalgia?
 
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Edit: we also export a lot of trees/lumber. A day doesn't go buy where I don't see a lumber truck. We have pretty great wine, too, although not cheap. Great beer.
I agree, Deschutes Mirror Pond Ale, my first introduction to really great hop flavoured beer. In Alaska of all places, a Craft Beer Festival in Haines. Luckily, available in Alberta for years now.
 
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Actually, this chart suggests that 25% of Americans feel they would be better off if they worked in a factory, which is a pretty big number. So maybe more manufacturing would help.

 
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Respectfully, this is totally unrelated to the topic of the thread. I don't know if you are being intentionally provocative, or if you just lost track of the fact that this thread is intended to discuss tariffs and international trade war issues, and is not a general thread to discuss issues that you think the current administration is handling differently. If you want to discuss immigration policies, I'd ask that you start a new thread, and we'll see how long it lasts before being frozen.
Actually, many members here on OF have questioned the competence of the Trump administration. The wide-open border with ZERO backgrounding of the millions pouring across the border during the Biden Admin. is a clear reference to what competence is.

Trump Admin shut down border. Crossings counted in the dozens vs millions in the past 4 years with ZERO regard related to who the hell these people are.

anyway...............................
 
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Yeah, I don't get it either. Why the big emphasis on bringing manufacturing back? Nostalgia?

Because the mass of uneducated and unemployed young men in the redneck states who cannot find well paying jobs.
 
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Actually, many members here on OF have questioned the competence of the Trump administration. The wide-open border with ZERO backgrounding of the millions pouring across the border during the Biden Admin. is a clear reference to what competence is.

Trump Admin shut down border. Crossings counted in the dozens vs millions in the past 4 years with ZERO regard related to who the hell these people are.

anyway...............................

Just when I thought we had brought the thread back to tariffs... questioning the Trump administrations competence on tariffs...
 
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Actually, this chart suggests that 25% of Americans feel they would be better off if they worked in a factory, which is a pretty big number. So maybe more manufacturing would help.

Or looking at it another way, 75% of Americans would be worse off working in a factory.
 
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@Dan S A simple local example from where I live, Dyson Cleaners…great business started here as soon as economies of scale dictate he shuts it down and buggers off to Singapore.
Most mass produced stuff (which we want to buy as cheap as possible!) can be manufactured by third world populace paid a bowl of rice a month (maintaining & increasing profit margins), that is never coming back until our people will do it for half a bowl which is slightly less than they are on now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_inequality_in_the_United_States

Can’t see that 25% coming from the higher parts of this…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wealth_inequality_in_the_United_States


Do the top 1% want to address or even acknowledge this? Nah.

Better to..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_cat_strategy

.. ergo tariffs, and all the other daily orange crap. There appears to be little other strategy.

Or am I being cynical? (Rhetorical question my nearest & dearest assure me)
 
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Once again.

The Trump administration says there is a "yuge" problem with the trade balance. That other countries has been ripping off the US with our tariffs - thus creating an unfair situation and now they (USA) have put up tariffs to remedy this and/or to get even - or to get other countries to lower their tariffs. I say - consider producing stuff that in quality and/or price compete with the rest of the world instead. And we will buy it.
 
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The thread needed to be derailed a bit and I do like to do that - but I would like to get back to my question (a page back):

When the orange fellow speaks about the trade balance - what goods does he think he can sell in the rest of the world? That competes in quality and/or price? Take note that he has never discussed anything other than goods. Tariffs on services has not been up for debate yet (the EU has that on the agenda though - if it comes to full on trade war).
I don't think any thought has been given to that. I think the whole thing is 1) A bid to give false hope to those who believe the US can become a major manufacturer. 2) A way to take attention away from the hugely unpopular actions of DOGE
 
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Because the mass of uneducated and unemployed young men in the redneck states who cannot find well paying jobs.

Given the comment, are we pompously haughty much?
 
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Or looking at it another way, 75% of Americans would be worse off working in a factory.
I do think that's the way most people have read that chart. But to be fair, 25% is a pretty big number compared to the 5% unemployment rate and a $35k factory job with benefits is appealing to many.

I guess a question is whether bringing back those $35k jobs is the best approach to reduce income and wealth inequality. The selling point seems to be more based on nostalgia for the good old days, than strategic thinking about the future economy.

I guess there is also a push to reinvigorate the coal industry, which does not seem appealing in any way. Maybe some of the attempted trade deals will involve trying to get other countries to buy our coal. There is certainly a lot of talk about LNG.
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Although Minnesota is known for some good canoes, I'd say most of the best are probably Canadian. If I was going to purchase a new Canoe tomorrow it would be a Swift with zero questions asked.
Minnesota kicks ass I was there for a conference met up with a bunch of locals we would hit the water for fishing, so much land for hiking shooting and archery it was a blast. The amount of bald eagles was amazing. I was only there long enough to get a certification but I’m still on the mailing list for others. I’d like to go back.
 
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I do think that's the way most people have read that chart. But to be fair, 25% is a pretty big number compared to the 5% unemployment rate and a $35k factory job with benefits is appealing to many.

I guess a question is whether bringing back those $35k jobs is the best approach to reduce income and wealth inequality. The selling point seems to be more based on nostalgia for the good old days, than strategic thinking about the future economy.

I guess there is also a push to reinvigorate the coal industry, which does not seem appealing in any way. Maybe some of the attempted trade deals will involve trying to get other countries to buy our coal. There is certainly a lot of talk about LNG.
80% says we need to bring back manufacturing jobs but only 25% actually want to do it. That’s a huge disconnect that’s saying a large majority are better off not working in factories.
 
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80% says we need to bring back manufacturing jobs but only 25% actually want to do it. That’s a huge disconnect that’s saying a large majority are better off not working in factories.

I wonder if it's people feeling nostalgic for what a union factory job meant in the post-war US: good pay and benefits that provided upward mobility.

People want a simple solution but aren't thinking carefully about all the conditions that led to the post-war middle class boom.
 
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80% says we need to bring back manufacturing jobs but only 25% actually want to do it. That’s a huge disconnect that’s saying a large majority are better off not working in factories.
Yes, I get what you are saying, but it's not necessarily a disconnect IMO. Something like 9% of people currently work in factories, and apparently 25% would like to work in factories, which would represent a significant increase. Therefore, the 80% aren't totally wrong in saying that more factory jobs would benefit the country, at least in a short-term narrow way.

I just personally think it's not a very forward-looking approach, the effort and resources put towards reinvigorating manufacturing could probably be used in better ways. For example, there is a critical shortage of skilled labor (e.g. the trades) in the US.
 
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Given the comment, are we pompously haughty much?

It's definitely a crappy situation, isn't it? We need much better education so that a lot of these people have a shot at getting good jobs. But that means, we actually need to spend a lot more money on education in the united states, not less.
 
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It's definitely a crappy situation, isn't it? We need much better education so that a lot of these people have a shot at getting good jobs. But that means, we actually need to spend a lot more money on education in the united states, not less.
Yes. And figure out why a university education has fallen so far in terms of esteem. Could that be related to the fact that the disproportionate increase in cost over the years has made it fundamentally unaffordable, and thus has caused it to become reflexively devalued?
 
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Yes. And figure out why a university education has fallen so far in terms of esteem. Could that be related to the fact that the disproportionate increase in cost over the years has made it fundamentally unaffordable, and thus has caused it to become reflexively devalued?
Maybe the constant cuts to education funding so we could keep cutting taxes for the rich to try trickle down economics wasn't a great idea.