Opinions about this vintage OMEGA please

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Relogiografia

·Sep 8, 2022

Last weekend I went to a flea market where I usually go and where I buy a lot of vintage watches.

I fell in love with an omega that a seller had for sale, but as I am not an expert on the brand, I hesitated to buy. The watch stuck in my head but before buying it I would like to know your opinion (Although the seller will probably have already sold it)

What do you think?
Will it be completely original or will it have altered/exchanged parts?

Some details:
* Watch has a stainless steel case (with a portuguese customs stamp mark on the lug);
* stainless steel omega crown;
* Movement is Omega cal. 30T2 with serial number 9501149;
* Inside the back case we can read:
Modele Depose
Omega
Fab. Suisse
Swiss Made
30 249381



Thank you for your help.

Edited: Sep 8, 2022

 

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Mark020

·Sep 8, 2022·not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawer

What are your own conclusions so far?

 

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Relogiografia

·Sep 8, 2022

The serial number graved inside the caseback 30249381 indicates that this wath case was made around 1969.
This year doesn't seem right to me, because it makes a big difference in production for the serial number that is engraved in the movement 9501149 that indicates that it was made in 1939

On the other hand, I have some doubts as to whether I am interpreting this number correctly. I say this because the first 2 digits of the serial number marked inside the case back look different than the rest. This leads me to want them to have been recorded later by someone in order to try to manipulate the original numbering.

 

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MtV

·Sep 8, 2022

The number in the caseback has no relation to the serial of the watch.

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Relogiografia

·Sep 8, 2022

Hello, thanks for your reply.
In your opinion, is the watch original?

I'm sorry but I'm not sure I understand your answer.
Are you saying the serial number on the back cover does not match this watch/age? and therefore something in this watch is wrong?

As I mentioned before, my knowledge about the omega brand is little and I still haven't been able to read anything that makes me want the watch to be original or not.

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mac_omega

·Sep 8, 2022

IMO the first digits of the case serial# should be 10.xxx.xxx this would make sense matching the production date of the movement. Maybe someone "manipulated" the first digit?

A stainless steel watch with a serial# starting with 30.xxx.xxx would not exist because stainless steel watches of this age did not have case serial# any more (only the gold cased ones) - there would be a 4 to 5 digit reference number instead.

I think the watch your show is original but with issues:
Firstly the balance seems to have been replaced, it looks like a monometallic Glucydur balance instead of a cut bimetal balance - but hard to assess because its in motion.

Secondly: the case has either
a) a badly stamped "1" and "0" (can happen)
or
b) a manipulated serial#

hope this helps...
If this watch is not too expensive and you like the style - go for it.

 

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gatorcpa

·Sep 8, 2022·ΩF InvestiGator

Very difficult to tell what serial number is stamped in the caseback. I also think the first digit could be a “1”. I also think it’s not a “3” or “5”, because Omega stopped using serial numbers on steel cases in the late 1940’s.

Here is a chart published by Omega about 15 years ago, which included some case serial numbers.

Note that there are 2 typo errors on the movement section. 7,000,000 should be 1930 and 9,000,000 should be 1936.

Based on the above, I’d say the watch is from the 1940’s. Maybe 1944 or so. It certainly has the correct style for that period.
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STANDY

·Sep 8, 2022·schizophrenic pizza orderer and watch collector

What was the price.

But just on looks, that would have came home with me….for the clean movement picture alone

 

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Relogiografia

·Sep 8, 2022

Hello again!

I appreciate everyone's response, thanks for your time.

The seller was asking 400€.

I forgot to mention that the watch had a completely rotten and old black leather strap but it had an original steel buckle.

 

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Dan S

·Sep 8, 2022

I can't see the dial very well in that tiny photo.

 

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Relogiografia

·Sep 8, 2022

If you click on the photo it will be able to see a larger image.

 

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Franco

·Sep 8, 2022

Am fairly sure that the first digit of the case seril is a "1". More similar to the final digit than the third last.

 

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Dan S

·Sep 8, 2022

R Relogiografia

If you click on the photo it will be able to see a larger image.

Haha, no thanks. I'm not clicking on a newbie's link. Please upload your photos to OF if you want the best feedback.

 

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Relogiografia

·Sep 8, 2022

Franco

Am fairly sure that the first digit of the case seril is a "1". More similar to the final digit than the third last.

Once again, thank you all for the messages. Indeed, it seems to me that I misinterpreted the numbering on the back cover.

Effectively, it's a 1 and not a 3 as I've seen.

So, everything seems to be ok right?

The watch appears to have no repair on the dial and the hands also look original.

I will try to buy the watch next time if it is still for sale.

What do you think about the price? Is 400€ expensive? fair value? A good price?

Thanks again

 

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Zapatta

·Sep 8, 2022

Shouldn't there be concentric circles inside the subdial?

 

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Dr No

·Sep 8, 2022

It's a fair value at the asking price.