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Hi Achim.
What do you think of the Omega 30t2 version? Do you think these were made by ATO? on close inspection the brass movement ring is different to the 12.68n movement ring in a way that it looks correct and manufactured for the watch and movement.
I cannot see any case numbers on this one though.
Thanks Mick

the watch whit Omega movement is my old watch and sold it to Mr Downling about 4 years ago belive its a original watch.
 
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the watch whit Omega movement is my old watch and sold it to Mr Downling about 4 years ago belive its a original watch.

Hello.
In your opinion do you think the Omega powered watch was as it was when it was made?
Thanks Michael
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Belive its movment delivered to English navy according to Omega, i know mr Dowling had problems to confirm this. we know that English navy was evaluating movments for this case from different producers.
Found in this condition in a toolbox in a sheed in Denmark aprox 6 years ago whitout secondhand.
surfaced another one in Denmark 6 months ago and it seams like a group of divers made something by the Danish coast end of war.
Chain on crown was missing. another one of the watches you never should sell.
 
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Belive its movment delivered to English navy according to Omega, i know mr Dowling had problems to confirm this. we know that English navy was evaluating movments for this case from different producers.
Found in this condition in a toolbox in a sheed in Denmark aprox 6 years ago whitout secondhand.
surfaced another one in Denmark 6 months ago and it seams like a group of divers made something by the Danish coast end of war.
Chain on crown was missing. another one of the watches you never should sell.

I agree with you, I think these could be correct with Omega movements.
My H.S came from Denmark too.
I didn't want to sell it but the money helped my business grow. Probably the rarest watch I will ever own that one.
It ended up with a vintage Panerai collector so is in good company now.
Thanks Michael
 
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so you are the buyer 6 months aqo? or is it a third watch that i don't know about?
If this was one of the evaluation watches its unique and I'm not shore if this watch still is whit mr Dowling but if you can pick it up you should and i can supply you whit original owner info from Denmark.
 
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so you are the buyer 6 months aqo? or is it a third watch that i don't know about?
If this was one of the evaluation watches its unique and I'm not shore if this watch still is whit mr Dowling but if you can pick it up you should and i can supply you whit original owner info from Denmark.

My watch was the Longines H.S on eBay, sold to a collector, not an Omega powered H.S
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VINTAGE-W...IVER-WATCH-SOLID-STERING-SILVER-/281645928070
Thanks Michael
 
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guys, I have told my side of the story. everything else is speculation. the silver surplus cases from ATO ( unnumbered ) tell me, they are surplus and not issued. who knows, what was done after the war with them? omega will not confirm the omega movement version. Mr. Dowling is very well known for his Rolex Knowledge. but james is not the first address, if it comes to issued non - Rolex military watches. kind regards. achim......and,yes, I`d love to expand my knowledge with new facts !
 
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Regarding mr Dowlings knowledge I'm not the person to judge.this watches are surrounded whit speculation cause the knowledge is very limited.
Belive the cases was produced by case maker on order by the English navy and first contact whit Omega put this movement in a batch delivered to English military forces.
Sounds reasonable that there was an evaluation from different movements as this is to be regarded as a experiment watch, and believe case maker wouldn't be involved in this procedure.
If this is a evaluation watch its not an issued watch but since a small production all watches might have been used in wartime.
We don't know how the story is but as said on this forum one of the most important things about vintage watches is to buy the seller and i still do.
If all watches was issued you should be able to receive info on total production in Brittish navy register as they where very good on keaping records.
not my watch anymore but i regret selling it, one of many choices as a collector have to do to be able to continue buy.
 
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I don`t think so. if you call it a evaluation watch for the navy in the very early 40`s, powered with an omega mvmt., it would have been delivered to the royal navy by the contractor, the british silversmith ATO.
in this case, as with all other confirmed Longines examples, every part would have been hallmarked and numbered by the maker. because every single part was handmade, they were NOT interchangeable with other examples. we know, that they made quite a few extra cases in the early 40`s, which were sold later. most ended in smelters ( very heavy case/lots of silver...), a few ended up with a british collector, who bought my example as well. and here do the facts end. you had a nice and very rare piece of military and horological history. it was never issued into Navy service. even with the confirmed Navy examples, the Longines archives state the mil. watch, delivered to the UK. because ATO bought complete watches, took out the movements and therefore different watches come up with that movement number. common practice then. kind regards.achim
 
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I don`t think so. if you call it a evaluation watch for the navy in the very early 40`s, powered with an omega mvmt., it would have been delivered to the royal navy by the contractor, the british silversmith ATO.
in this case, as with all other confirmed Longines examples, every part would have been hallmarked and numbered by the maker. because every single part was handmade, they were NOT interchangeable with other examples. we know, that they made quite a few extra cases in the early 40`s, which were sold later. most ended in smelters ( very heavy case/lots of silver...), a few ended up with a british collector, who bought my example as well. and here do the facts end. you had a nice and very rare piece of military and horological history. it was never issued into Navy service. even with the confirmed Navy examples, the Longines archives state the mil. watch, delivered to the UK. because ATO bought complete watches, took out the movements and therefore different watches come up with that movement number. common practice then. kind regards.achim

Hi Achim.
The Longines examples show delivery to Buame U.K not ATO so I guess the Omega powered watches might show delivery to whoever supplied Omega watches to the military at that time too and not necessarily show the Royal Navy or ATO.
If these Omega powered watches were test watches would the cases be stamped? what was the purpose of the stamps in the first place? if the parts were not interchangeable could they be there to tell the watchmaker servicing them which parts went with which watches? In that case the test versions not meant for issue would not have need the stamps?
Looking at the Omega powered version the movement is so clean, almost new looking, it makes me wonder, the longines version I owned was the same, The movement looked brand new with no shadow on the plates where the bridges for the SC once where, with a movement that had spent quite a long time with these bridges on them, a shadow is usually left on the plate where the SC bridge once stood.
In the end I am not sure but it is all very interesting.
Cheers Michael
 
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Baume was the Longines Dealer at the time. most Omegas show Goldsmith as importer. never a delivery to any forces. all parts had numbers for that specific watch for ID. the movements are shiny, yes. seems to be a watertight construction. but it still does not explain, why they stayed that way. from the longines I know, that they were serviced every 6 months. still..... interesting topic; my issue number was :::::::::::::::kind regards. achim


 
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Checked my old notes and it's close to 8 years ago I sold the watch time is moving fast.
Don't know how the discussion been going before this
English is not my language and computers are not my best frend but give it a try. If we try to look on the info we are discussing I belive we can make some conclusions.
First of al I think we can agree on the Brittish armed forces (navy) have a impressing horological history and they took their watches wery seriously achim mentioned service every 6 months for this pices.
This is why we could expect that there was a test whit different movements before making any decisions?
I belive that the firm that are referred to as a silversmith is actually a casemaker for the British armed forces that made al kind of cases but are forced by British law to own a hallmark if they produce silver objects and a lot of cases for example deck watches is produced in silver.
Makes sense if they where ordering the longines movements.
Achim mentioned that the silver prices was increasing a lot after the war and this is one off the resons why there aren't to many left, a producing firm whit dead stock in valuble material would probably been melted to other cases,
Belive a waterproof case was nice but nothing new since they produced waterproof silver cases from ca 1850
The market for recreation diving was not to big in the 40-50s and wery few people would show intrest for this cases.
The only source we have on this is this collector from Munich that claimed there was sparecases left in the shop belive he must have known that this is a casemaker and not a silversmith and not shore that we can call this facts.
We know that the omega is not a attempt to make a reproduction,it would have been easy to do engravings and find a longines movement and altso 8 years ago the info on this subject was even poorer than today.

The Omega movement watch was found when cleaning up a estate after a old man whitout any diving intrest according to his daughter and it was laying in his toolbox.
Maybe a coincidence that a second watch shows up in Denmark last year how knows?

I'm a sloppy person whit dyslexic and bad language but maybe we once cay have a coffe in the lobby during Munich

Best
Patrik
 
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Just looking back at this thread as I was thinking about owning one of these again. oh how times have changed in only a few years, the gold 145022 I sold back in 2015 seems very cheap now doesn't it?
For 9k I doubt I could buy the DON bezel now. and the Longines H.S! what a watch. 🙁
 
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Another Mexican 1969 Apollo XI BA145.022 with same end pieces and clasp here> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Omega-Sp...377800?hash=item342030f148:g:nP8AAOSwePpeLc2C

Looks like Mexican XI 18k 69s had Mexican manufactured 18k bracelets after all.

Just in case anyone is looking for info in future.

Hi @michael e ,
For full disclosure: I manage the ebay shop for the seller and wrote the listing of the Mexican Apollo XI.
I came to the same conclusion as you, that the bracelets for the Mexican marked differ from the ones we see at the rest of the Apollo XI‘s. There are two other Apollo XI for sale at the moment on chrono24 with the same style of bracelet/clasp. One from a private seller from Mexico nevertheless and one from a dealer in Japan that i would suspect to have Mexican origins as well (but that’s a pure guess).

Pics for future research:

The one from Japan:

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And the one from the private Mexican seller:

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Also interesting to note is that most of them are in a higher limitation number range. What was the number of yours Michael?

I hope this does not come across as me promoting the sale. It‘s not meant to be.

Cheers,

Max
 
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