On the hunt… my first vintage piece. Omega Constellation Pie Pan

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Hello all,
Very new here and appreciate all of the insight, as buying my first vintage luxury watch is a bit intimidating. After many months of debating which direction to go, to celebrate my restaurant’s first Michelin Star, I have decided to go with a vintage Omega Constellation Pie Pan. The amount of references and variations is overwhelming and I am not married to any particular one, but am looking for the best condition to price ratio and am hoping to avoid an accidental Frankenwatch. I have read many articles and watched lots of videos, but again, the amount of variations/combinations of case shapes, lugs, markers, materials, etc make it hard to spot any “that doesn’t match that reference” issues.

I have a few that are in a strong lead for purchase, and both sellers have good reviews, especially closer0924…

Could I trouble you all to take o look and offer your opinions here? I am grateful for your input!



https://www.ebay.com/itm/2665834503...ro12-bessy&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2260060007...ro12-bessy&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
 
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The one from closer.... dont you think there's something wrong with it? I think it's a refinished dial.

Congrats on the star by the way. Where's your restaurant?
 
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The one from closer.... dont you think there's something wrong with it? I think it's a refinished dial.

Congrats on the star by the way. Where's your restaurant?
I’d be surprised to find a very well established seller like closer selling a watch with a refinished dial. At the very least, I would expect it to be disclosed in the listing. The hour and second hands look like generics to me and the bracelet circumference is quite small. OP's second watch has visible spotting on the dial and that would be a pass for me.
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I’d be surprised to find a very well established seller like closer selling a watch with a refinished dial. At the very least, I would expect it to be disclosed in the listing. As I noted, the hour and second hands look like generics to me and the bracelet circumference is quite small.
Well, closer has sold a lot of refinished dials in the past without disclosure. Anyway, I discussed this watch in PM a couple of weeks ago with @Peemacgee and we both were'nt confident the dial is original. Just a warning to the OP.
 
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Well, closer has sold a lot of refinished dials in the past without disclosure. Anyway, I discussed this watch in PM a couple of weeks ago with @Peemacgee and we both were'nt confident the dial is original. Just a warning to the OP.
That's disappointing to hear about closer. I've only purchased one watch from them in the past and had no complaints, but I have a lot of respect for your and Peemacgee's opinions and I appreciate your warning to the OP. At this point, I think that Gav1967 may have offered the best option so far with Hoi's 168.005, but we'll see what other members have to contribute.
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Agree the first dial looks suspect. Look at the alignment of the hour markers and minute markers along with the quality and consistency of the text.

Closer have some great watches at reasonable prices but due to the volume that passes through their hands they often don’t identify anything but the most obvious redials.
 
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The one from closer.... dont you think there's something wrong with it? I think it's a refinished dial.

Congrats on the star by the way. Where's your restaurant?
Something that always makes me pause is the color difference - pretty apparent here between the dial and the date wheel. Suggests something has been touched or replaced. But beyond this, this actually bothers me aesthetically.
 
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Hello all,
Very new here and appreciate all of the insight, as buying my first vintage luxury watch is a bit intimidating. After many months of debating which direction to go, to celebrate my restaurant’s first Michelin Star, I have decided to go with a vintage Omega Constellation Pie Pan. The amount of references and variations is overwhelming and I am not married to any particular one, but am looking for the best condition to price ratio and am hoping to avoid an accidental Frankenwatch.

Could I trouble you all to take o look and offer your opinions here? I am grateful for your input!

Welcome @W@tch K8ty
Congratulations on your Michelin Star - what better way to celebrate than with a Constellation.

Members much prefer it if you would post pictures with your links - you'll likely get more responses that way.
Pie pans are classic Constellations and arrowhead pie pans are splendid as are lyre-lug cases but if you are willing to look at other pie pan dials and other case styles, you will find the field of choice significantly wider.

As @Shabbaz says, there are possible problems with the first watch you post that shouldn't appear on a Constellation - these things will become much clearer and easier to spot once you've viewed a few Constellations.
The minute haches are too close to the edge on this era of pie-pan and are an irregular distance from the edge
I think the arrowheads intrude too far into the inner field
The fonts should be serifed and look to be plain on this watch (although closer's pics are always over exposed and so can mislead sometimes)

It's a shame about the dial on the second watch as the furniture appears to be rose gold, which is uncommon.

If you haven't found them yet, there is a thread just for Constellations but there is also one dedicated to pie pans
https://omegaforums.net/threads/vintage-constellations-show-and-tell.19186/
https://omegaforums.net/threads/ppp-pie-pan-porn.48012/

it would be useful if you could give an idea of budget - so that folks don't suggest watches out of your price range
have fun browsing and post (pics) of any watches you like for members to comment on

(oh - and when you find a watch, don't wear your Constellation in a hot steamy kitchen)


larger pics of closer's watch
 
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The watches that the OP posted are both in the 2k USD range.
 
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OP has very good timing because some really nice Constellations are currently listed on OF right now depending in budget.

18k Constellation Deluxe - https://omegaforums.net/threads/1962-unpolished-18k-omega-constellation-deluxe.170459/

Constellation 167.005 stainless steel - https://omegaforums.net/threads/red...tion-pie-pan-ref-167-005-cal-551-1150.166550/

Constellation 168.005 18k - https://omegaforums.net/threads/18k-yg-pie-pan-connie-reduced.170424/
 
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Welcome @W@tch K8ty
As @Shabbaz says, there are possible problems with the first watch you post that shouldn't appear on a Constellation - these things will become much clearer and easier to spot once you've viewed a few hundred Constellations.
FIFY. 😉
 
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Hard to beat Omega Forums private sales for quality Constellations, certainly the three pointed out in this thread should be on your radar, and I am in no way affiliated with any of the sellers.
 
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I was actually going to write that but didn’t want to put the OP off.
😀
But truly, there's no substitute for looking at a lot of examples. And paying attention to details.
 
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Details are important like everyone said. I bought a dog of a Connie for my first vintage watch. In my hubris, I had done some net research, read Desmond’s blog, trawled eBay for months, and thought I knew what I was doing. Hah! The real reason i picked the one I did is because I loved the bracelet, which was unlike any of the others. The seller said it was a genuine Omega bracelet, and indeed it was, for a Geneve model 10 years later.

Anyway. Before you buy anything or even keep looking, read the Learn How to Fish thread. It’s long but worth every moment.
 
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When I joined OF and decided that I wanted to buy my first Constellation, I read everything that other members told me to read, studied, asked questions, studied, asked more questions, and took a lot of time to search. This was the result and I still have it:
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Moral of the story: take your time, do your homework and listen to the advice of the established members on OF. The world's most experienced and knowledgeable collectors of vintage Omega watches are right here and most are very willing to help you learn.
 
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The one from closer.... dont you think there's something wrong with it? I think it's a refinished dial.

Congrats on the star by the way. Where's your restaurant?


Thank you! I appreciate that. The restaurant is in Atlanta.
I’m not sure about the dial.. looks to be in very good shape (too good?) and the picture seems to show that the date window looks gold maybe?? If so, doesn’t make sense.. but again, I am new to this and there are so many variations and combinations from what I’ve seen. This is why I am here and appreciate your inquisitive expertise!