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Sell it as is, "restoration" will only hurt the value to most potential buyers.
 
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Thanks.
I'm not well versed in the field of watches at all, do you have any idea about its value AS IS?
 
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I agree with @X350 XJR . Generally, collectors have their own resources and priorities when it comes to preserving and restoring watches like this. Not all watchmakers can do the work to the appropriate standards of a collector.

I don’t know too much about the IDF versions of this watch, but the watch clearly has a dial with broken dial feet. To most, that is a significant hit to the value because of how risky dial feet repair can can be.
 
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Do not restore it to "amazing condition." Sell it as-is, hopefully with something to document the provenance if you are trying to sell it as an actual military-issued watch. Otherwise, the value is much lower because this particular reference is not terribly popular otherwise. Unfortunately, Omega is not currently issuing Extracts of the Archive. TBH, you might want to wait until you can get one before selling.
 
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I made a mistake in the wording, I intend to bring it to a proper and working condition and not to renew it and lose its originality. Thanks to those who enlightened my eyes to the wording problem
 
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Do not restore it to "amazing condition." Sell it as-is, hopefully with something to document the provenance if you are trying to sell it as an actual military-issued watch. Otherwise, the value is much lower because this particular reference is not terribly popular otherwise. Unfortunately, Omega is not currently issuing Extracts of the Archive. TBH, you might want to wait until you can get one before selling.

I do have a document proving that it is indeed military and given by the army to a pilot in the air force immediately upon completion of his pilot course.
By the way, in addition one of the signs is the date display window which is black. If you notice almost all of them have a light/silver colored date display window.
 
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Sell it as is, "restoration" will only hurt the value to most potential buyers.

Thanks.
I'm not well versed in the field of watches at all, do you have any idea about its value AS IS?
 
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Do not restore it to "amazing condition." Sell it as-is, hopefully with something to document the provenance if you are trying to sell it as an actual military-issued watch. Otherwise, the value is much lower because this particular reference is not terribly popular otherwise. Unfortunately, Omega is not currently issuing Extracts of the Archive. TBH, you might want to wait until you can get one before selling.


I made a mistake in the wording, I intend to bring it to a proper and working condition and not to renew it and lose its originality. Thanks to those who enlightened my eyes to the wording problem
 
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I wouldn’t even do that. Most collectors would rather buy it as-is, rather than post service.
I don’t think the date window signifies IDF issue. With lost models from this era, white/silver date disks are most common, but black are seen. Same with the 166.027 SM120.

What documentation do you have confirming IDF issue? Does it include the serial number?
 
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I wouldn’t even do that. Most collectors would rather buy it as-is, rather than post service.
I don’t think the date window signifies IDF issue. With lost models from this era, white/silver date disks are most common, but black are seen. Same with the 166.027 SM120.

What documentation do you have confirming IDF issue? Does it include the serial number?

I have a photograph (of course I will blur the face for obvious reasons) of the ceremony in which the watch was given to the pilot by Mr. Shimon Peres who was in the mid-1970s the Minister of Defense in Israel. Additionally in Israel (I don't know how it is in other countries) the only watches that arrived here of this model and had a black plate, and a black date display window were the only ones that the Israel Defense Forces purchased for officers in special units.
 
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I have a photograph (of course I will blur the face for obvious reasons) of the ceremony in which the watch was given to the pilot by Mr. Shimon Peres who was in the mid-1970s the Minister of Defense in Israel. Additionally in Israel (I don't know how it is in other countries) the only watches that arrived here of this model and had a black plate, and a black date display window were the only ones that the Israel Defense Forces purchased for officers in special units.

The serial number is inside the watch, and at this point the watch has never been opened.
 
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Playing devils advocate, that picture would seem to show that the subject in it received a watch. How does it prove it’s the watch pictured above?

I don’t know much about IDF issues Seamaster 120’s, but if there are no other distinguishing features and without an extract from Omega, I’m struggling to see how you’d get any kind of premium
 
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The black date wheel is certainly consistent with an IDF watch, but not the type of proof a collector would want. An extract would be best. Without that, the value is just that of a broken SM120, IMO. Of course, you can put whatever price on it you want and a collector might take a chance on it.

Regarding a service, the dial feet will be the issue. If a watchmaker attempts to solder new dial feet, they could irreversibly ruin the dial. I would leave the restoration to someone more knowledgeable.
 
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The black date wheel is certainly consistent with an IDF watch, but not the type of proof a collector would want. An extract would be best. Without that, the value is just that of a broken SM120, IMO. Of course, you can put whatever price on it you want and a collector might take a chance on it.
Regarding a service, the dial feet will be the issue. If a watchmaker attempts to solder new dial feet, they could irreversibly ruin the dial. I would leave the restoration to someone more knowledgeable.


My friend, you are right,
also regarding the characterization that this is indeed a pilot's watch of the IDF's rearguard,
and also regarding the fact that only an expert can repair it and not anyone.

Regarding the authenticity of the watch, given the fact that there is a problem with verifying the serial number of Omega watches,
you will have to, at this point, accept my words that it is a pilot's watch, in the Israel Defense Forces, because the watch has been in my home since the day it came out of its box.
I am ready to commit that if one day it turns out that I am not accurate, I will return the full money to the buyer.
This is a commitment I am willing to give as we are the original owners of the watch and did not purchase it from someone else.
 
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That being the case, it’s unlikely any buyer will pay a premium based on the lack of solid provenance

Hopefully the extract process will reopen soon and you’ll be able to apply for one which comes back clearly stating “delivered to IDF”
 
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Regarding the authenticity of the watch, given the fact that there is a problem with verifying the serial number of Omega watches,
the photo is a significant proof that I can provide.
you will have to, at this point, accept my words that it is a pilot's watch, in the Israel Defense Forces,
because the watch has been in my home since the day it came out of its box.
So there is no reason why this is not true.
I am ready to commit that if one day it turns out that I am not accurate, I will return the full money to the buyer.
This is a commitment I am willing to give as we are the original owners of the watch and did not purchase it from someone else.
 
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That being the case, it’s unlikely any buyer will pay a premium based on the lack of solid provenance

Hopefully the extract process will reopen soon and you’ll be able to apply for one which comes back clearly stating “delivered to IDF”


Regarding the authenticity of the watch, given the fact that there is a problem with verifying the serial number of Omega watches,
the photo is a significant proof that I can provide.
you will have to, at this point, accept my words that it is a pilot's watch, in the Israel Defense Forces,
because the watch has been in my home since the day it came out of its box.
So there is no reason why this is not true.
I am ready to commit that if one day it turns out that I am not accurate, I will return the full money to the buyer.
This is a commitment I am willing to give as we are the original owners of the watch and did not purchase it from someone else.
 
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I understand what you’re saying. I believe it probably is correct. BUT, no one has to accept what you’re saying and pay you a premium for the watch. You’re clearing looking for a premium above a standard sm120 fit to it being IDF issued. I’m simply saying, it doesn’t work like that, very few collectors, if any will pay a premium based on your word and a picture, because they know if they ever decide to sell it, no one else will pay them a premium without solid provenance.

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you will have to, at this point, accept my words that it is a pilot's watch, in the Israel Defense Forces,
because the watch has been in my home since the day it came out of its box.
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No one has to accept your words. It people choice whether they choose to do so, and even if they do, paying a premium for a watch where the provenance is the word of the seller is a huge leap of faith.
 
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I understand what you’re saying. I believe it probably is correct. BUT, no one has to accept what you’re saying and pay you a premium for the watch. You’re clearing looking for a premium above a standard sm120 fit to it being IDF issued. I’m simply saying, it doesn’t work like that, very few collectors, if any will pay a premium based on your word and a picture, because they know if they ever decide to sell it, no one else will pay them a premium without solid provenance.
No one has to accept your words. It people choice whether they choose to do so, and even if they do, paying a premium for a watch where the provenance is the word of the seller is a huge leap of faith.


OK. That's your opinion and that's fine too. And I will only sell at the right price or I will wait until I can prove it and then the price will be accordingly. Beyond the commitment that I will return the money to the buyer if it is proven that the watch is not what I say it is.. and beyond providing a photo that I'm sure not everyone can provide, I have nothing to do at the moment. Just for information, this same watch... in good condition and in better condition... was recently sold at an auction for $13,000. So whoever takes a "risk" according to your definition can make a very, very profitable deal.
https://www.phillips.com/detail/omega/CH080218/16