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Omega speedmaster 3954.50 Broadarrow undervalued?

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He's making a hard sell as these won't be as valuable after the 60th starts hitting the secondary market.

The 60th corrects everything that was wrong with this model.

w.finkenstaedt w.finkenstaedt
It's trying to replicate CK2915, but it's a mishmash of modern Speedy and the CK2915. The right hands and bezel, but wrong case, bracelet, and caseback. The 60th is an almost-perfect replica of CK2915.

The 60th is better in every single way, which is why these will never really climb over $3k (except with inflation), where the 60th will probably hold or increase in value.

You are so right. I was just starting to have a look at the "Replica" to possibly add to my collection, but the "wrong" bits were just putting me off - then bam, the 60th arrives at Basel this year and I didn't even blink. It will be my second ever new watch, and the first I have bought from an authorised source.
 
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Just got off the phone with the AD. He said the watch date was 2001 (I saw 2011 by mistake)

He says he doesn't know the last service history but he says the 1861 movement is pretty hardy and all. Mmmm
Honestly, this watch started production in 1997, so I'd definitely budget a full service in. As good as the 1861 is, if he doesn't know the service history that's potentially 20 YEARS without a service. [emoji33]
 
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Had some free time so I went down to some of watch shops to browse. Initially I had my eye on a fois, then I tried the speedy pro, and then today I tried to the broad arrow.

I thought its different from my tudor bbb and sla017 with the bezel being silver.

Watch dealer told me the broad arrow is getting hard to find and it's currently under valued. (he's letting it go at 2900 usd box papers 2011 model)

What do u guys do think?

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This model reminds me of the 2500 Railmaster in that, if you're not getting caught up in the collector's aspect, I think the model is beautiful in its own right, and I like the mixture of old and new possibly even more than the new reissues. Plus, vintage lume kills the new ones for me.
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I stumbled across the 3594.50 and 3894.50 the other day after being drawn into Speedmasters a couple months ago and mostly by the 60th. I absolutely LOVE this watch. I know its missing a lot of things to being an true match of the CK2915, but it has all of my must have features.

As for the valuation argument, anything is only worth what someone will pay for it. While I have read countless articles on what to look for with these watches (which I know what I have learned so far is only the tip of the iceberg) what it always seems to boil down to is what you yourself like. So long as I could sell a used watch for what I paid for it, I think I would be pretty happy and consider it a win win.

I found a slew of them on Chrono24 in varying conditions, but something about that website makes me very leery. Is there a pretty general consensus about that website? I guess it would go from case by case basis of each seller...but I was just curious if anyone had an experience story
 
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[QUOTE="J.RETSAM,
I found a slew of them on Chrono24 in varying conditions, but something about that website makes me very leery. Is there a pretty general consensus about that website? I guess it would go from case by case basis of each seller...but I was just curious if anyone had an experience story[/QUOTE]

Never bought anything off there but you need to do your research and know what to look out for. There are plenty of polished turds on there, as well as decent stuff.
 
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he's letting it go at 2900 usd box papers
There were many on ebay Japan for around $2000 about 5 years ago.
 
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My take on it is more positive than Finks: if you like it, the price isn't bad but like any older watch it may we'll need a service, if they can't prove when it was last done then either put aside $400-600 or negotiate a discount towards this cost.

I think these will eventually become more appreciated and like that other imperfect reissue the FOIS eventually gain a little over the std watch. I dont have one so am pretty impartial but you can tell I like the look as my collection includes this which is similarly unloved in hard core Speedy circles:

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Which unloved Speedy is this one, may I ask? I love the look!
 
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I stumbled across the 3594.50 and 3894.50 the other day after being drawn into Speedmasters a couple months ago and mostly by the 60th. I absolutely LOVE this watch. I know its missing a lot of things to being an true match of the CK2915, but it has all of my must have features.

As for the valuation argument, anything is only worth what someone will pay for it. While I have read countless articles on what to look for with these watches (which I know what I have learned so far is only the tip of the iceberg) what it always seems to boil down to is what you yourself like. So long as I could sell a used watch for what I paid for it, I think I would be pretty happy and consider it a win win.

I found a slew of them on Chrono24 in varying conditions, but something about that website makes me very leery. Is there a pretty general consensus about that website? I guess it would go from case by case basis of each seller...but I was just curious if anyone had an experience story
I bought one watch on Chrono24 this past summer. It was a mint condition, Generation 1 Dynamic. It was a very pleasant transaction. I interacted with a number of European watch stores and they were all great. I think Chrono24 is a valuable conduit to a wider market for a lot of small businesses. As another OP has said, you still have to know what you're buying. For the most part, though, you're dealing with brick and mortar folks with reputations they value. I did deal with a private seller who was a complete d!ck...I've just stayed away from those since.
 
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Which unloved Speedy is this one, may I ask? I love the look!
Thanks! Its the 321.10.42.50.02.001 Speedmaster Broad Arrow Co-axial. It was released in 2007 as part of the Speedmaster 50th anniversary releases in both a silver dial and black and like the other modern Broad Arrows use the automatic 3313 F Piguet derived movement with date rather than the classic 321/861 Lemania based one. It is this that makes it not as desirable as the manual wind models for many purists, though I notice that the Grail seems to do alright on that score. Here is a stock photo:

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I found this photo on my phone and thought it would be helpful. Side-by-side comparison of a 3954.50 that I previously owned as well as the 60th anniversary Speedmaster (which is the one I decided to keep).
 
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