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Omega Seamaster - A guide to special dials

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Well at least I’m glad we pinpointed the difference in our views, I draw my line a bit closer to the center, the center point being an all original NOS watch, I personally mainly care about a dial being 100% original

With your definition, a perfect replica is acceptable too, while I doubt you meant it

But the actual point is helping people determine whats what and let them decide for themselves, so it matters to be able to tell whether the dial was made 50 years ago or 5 days ago, whether you accept it or not, its probably already your responsibility too, I bet you get a lot of random members sending you watches to authenticate, whenever someone asks about a unique Seamaster I link them to your thread as well, so there’s the concern

I’m kinda surprised that you didn’t care about originality all this time 😀
 
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Please stop assuming without asking. I do care about authenticity.

I'm just saying that if a watch looks authentic and nothing can prove otherwise, it is indeed authentic to most people. Your assumptions about a market about to crash are just wrong.
 
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kaplan kaplan
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Regarding this watch, have you asked the seller what exactly has been done to this dial and if it has been done by himself?
 
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billiout billiout
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/326073532843

Well this watch is also a franken since even though the correct reference is mentioned in the title (166.020) corresponding to the date version, the case is from 165.020.

It's a mistake in the description, which was later fixed.
 
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It's a mistake in the description, which was later fixed.

The watch case should be a 166.020 and not a 165.020 since the latter is the no-date reference but the movement 562 (and the dial) is the date version.

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I’ve talked to the seller, he confirms he redialed it

And also repeating what I stated earlier, the seller is quite awesome, and an expert craftsmen

I didn’t say the market will crash either, market is already crashed, we buy legendary watches for peanut money, almost every Omega is less than the sum of its parts, gold watches are worth below melt value

What I’m saying is: it was possible to authenticate watches with a single glance, after events like this - no longer possible, a more detailed analysis is needed - and since rare/prototype grade watches don’t have point of references and some of them legitimately are outside text placement rules, it will be harder
 
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or Rolls Royce:
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which parts of ths car (pebbles beach-winner 2022) are still original, unpolished unlaquered?
 
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kaplan kaplan
I didn’t say the market will crash either, market is already crashed, we buy legendary watches for peanut money, almost every Omega is less than the sum of its parts, gold watches are worth below melt value

To my knowledge, gold Omega watches don't retail at less than melt value. Also, we buy legendary watches for peanut money because there are so many of them. I don't see the crashed market that you see and to be honest, I don't really care. If what you are saying means we will be able to buy these legendary watches for even less in the future, I hardly see it as a problem.
 
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Fallout Boy Fallout Boy
or Rolls Royce:
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which parts of ths car (pebbles beach-winner 2022) are still original, unpolished unlaquered?


Um, that's a Duesenberg...
 
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yea, but Dusenberg´s don t build such cars anymore - probably RR will do ;-) - at least this size.
 
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Hi guys, found this example of a quadrant dial SMDV.

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Now, comparing the dial to the examples under this thread, I can observe a few differences in the font. Reviewed side-by-side, I don't think it matches with any of the SMDV fonts earlier, either. And the alignment of Swiss Made T doesn't look good. Obviously, the 'scratched' text on the inside of the caseback and lack of further info raise doubts. However, the placing of the cross hair and alignment of other texts with it seem quite the bull's-eye. The overall texture of the dial also looks good.

Do you think this example meets the criteria for the quadrant dial? My verdict is on the suspicious side. Either way, I hope that this would contribute to the info pool here.
 
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It looks pretty authentic to me. The condition of the tritium dots tells me that dial is not refinished. The gasket and screw heads tell me that watch has never seen a service. I probably wouldn't really sweat anyway it because A) it looks really good aesthetically and B) it's a pretty inexpensive watch. Stylish. I'd buy it and service it and wear it.
 
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Found ad on local forum for this Seamaster (14k solid gold case, 22M serial range, no seahorse case back). What do you think about its authenticity. Thanks in advance for sharing your thoughts.
PS: I am not eager to buy it. Asked here just for the sake of my education.
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Hello! This is a frankenwatch, the movement should bear the "OXG" mark on the balance bridge.

The case has been polished to make it look like brand new and this is probably a repainted dial.
 
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Hello! This is a frankenwatch, the movement should bear the "OXG" mark on the balance bridge.

The case has been polished to make it look like brand new and this is probably a repainted dial.
Thank you @PlainVanilla for very quick reply to my request. The ink - quite faint - on dial is suspect but dial texture (swirling) seems authentic, isn’t it?
 
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