Omega pocket watch

Piece of history · Thurs. 3:10am

Hi guys, I've recently been doing research into my family tree and after years living in the top of a cupboard, pulled out this pocket watch my dad gave me when I was a teenager. It was his dad's or maybe his grandfather's that was passed down. My dad was the least sentimental guy you'd ever get and that's why he gave it to me at such a young age. I never really questioned him on who's it was and where it came from, so I hope you guys can give me some clarity. There's also an enamel fob ( I thinks it's what you call it), that I'd appreciate it if any of you know where I might find out more about. So here goes. Also just to mention my grandfather was stationed in Batavia and served in KNIL roughly between 1910/11 to about 1926. There is also a crudely made inscription made. Any ideas are welcome. Thank you for helping a guy out.

texascollectors · Thurs. 4:27am

I don’t have info on it but beautiful piece!

gatorcpa · Thurs. 6:56am

There is a chart that dates Omega watch cases:

https://omegaforums.net/threads/whats-with-the-date-error-in-the-in-the-omegamani-serial-number-chart.68711/

Thread 'Whats with the date error in the in the Omegamani serial number chart?' ·

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I just noticed the Omegamania Serial number chart has date errors at 6M, 7M, 8M and 9M. It goes 1923 then 1920, 1934 then back to...

DG GW · Dec 26, 2017

Based on that, the case dates from around 1902, so it seems to be a little older than you think. The logo looks to be from that period also. There should be a movement serial number, but it located under the dial.

Since the dial is in such a fragile state, you need to find a watchmaker experienced in preservation before even attempting to have it cleaned.
gatorcpa

JimInOz · Thurs. 8:04am

From what we can see it's an early Omega in an 0.800 silver case (Grouse hallmark).
The dial with "Paris" style numerals is vitreous enamel in poor condition. The minute hand is Louis XV style, but appears to be too long, the hour hand is not an Omega style that I know of, the sub-seconds hand, while broken, seems to be original.

The 7 jewel movement could be a caliber 19''', but to confirm, we need to know the diameter of the movement across the bridges.

While the watch is badly in need of a service, the resoration cost will far outweigh the eventual value of the watch.

Maybe get a nice display stand for it and enjoy looking at it and wondering what adventures it has witnessed.

Piece of history · Thurs. 2:38pm

gatorcpa
There is a chart that dates Omega watch cases:

https://omegaforums.net/threads/whats-with-the-date-error-in-the-in-the-omegamani-serial-number-chart.68711/

Thread 'Whats with the date error in the in the Omegamani serial number chart?' ·
http://www.omega-fanatic.com/media/.gallery/image253.jpg
I just noticed the Omegamania Serial number chart has date errors at 6M, 7M, 8M and 9M. It goes 1923 then 1920, 1934 then back to...

DG GW · Dec 26, 2017

Based on that, the case dates from around 1902, so it seems to be a little older than you think. The logo looks to be from that period also. There should be a movement serial number, but it located under the dial.

Since the dial is in such a fragile state, you need to find a watchmaker experienced in preservation before even attempting to have it cleaned.
gatorcpa

Thank you for your input, I really appreciate it.

Piece of history · Thurs. 2:56pm

JimInOz
From what we can see it's an early Omega in an 0.800 silver case (Grouse hallmark).
The dial with "Paris" style numerals is vitreous enamel in poor condition. The minute hand is Louis XV style, but appears to be too long, the hour hand is not an Omega style that I know of, the sub-seconds hand, while broken, seems to be original.

The 7 jewel movement could be a caliber 19''', but to confirm, we need to know the diameter of the movement across the bridges.

While the watch is badly in need of a service, the resoration cost will far outweigh the eventual value of the watch.

Maybe get a nice display stand for it and enjoy looking at it and wondering what adventures it has witnessed.

Thanks JimInOz, that has been helpful. The diameter (as measured like in your example) is 38mm. The goal is not to restore it back into a working piece, as it is really a keepsake. I do not even know where I would find a watch maker/restorer for this watch where I live in Cape Town South Africa. If anybody has ideas about who might know about inscriptions and the fob, that might be worthwhile. I don't know if it could have a military connection. Much appreciated.

Canuck · Thurs. 10:59pm

Piece of history
Thanks JimInOz, that has been helpful. The diameter (as measured like in your example) is 38mm. The goal is not to restore it back into a working piece, as it is really a keepsake. I do not even know where I would find a watch maker/restorer for this watch where I live in Cape Town South Africa. If anybody has ideas about who might know about inscriptions and the fob, that might be worthwhile. I don't know if it could have a military connection. Much appreciated.

Perhaps? Thanks to Google Images.

JimInOz · Fri. 4:03am

From a previous enquiry for a similar watch.

"Would be a caliber 18''' that was produced in variations from 1896 to 1913.
It has the same basic architecture as the caliber 19''' which was named "Omega", and led to the company (Louis Brandt & Fils) being re-named to Omega in about 1904, can't remember the exact year."

I think the only possible military connection would that the owner of the watch was in the military at some stage, but it isn't a military issued watch.

Piece of history · Fri. 6:32am

Canuck
Perhaps? Thanks to Google Images.

I also initially thought Croatia, but I don't think so, and A.I. apps have some interesting ideas. With time I might find someone in the Netherlands who understands these attachments, who will hopefully recognise it for what it is. Thanks for the reply Canuck.

Piece of history · Fri. 6:34am

JimInOz
From a previous enquiry for a similar watch.

"Would be a caliber 18''' that was produced in variations from 1896 to 1913.
It has the same basic architecture as the caliber 19''' which was named "Omega", and led to the company (Louis Brandt & Fils) being re-named to Omega in about 1904, can't remember the exact year."

I think the only possible military connection would that the owner of the watch was in the military at some stage, but it isn't a military issued watch.

Thank you, I appreciate you taking the time to school me a little and help me out.

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