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  1. dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member Jun 19, 2012

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    Remember a while back Dennis mentioned buying a Universal Geneve triple date moonphase due to the fact that the vintage Cosmic triple-dates were all pretty nasty condition wise or refinished... just looking around it seems that's pretty well on the money with most examples Ive seen being very discoloured and patinad.

    Just wondering what is it about these that makes them wear so much more poorly than Constellations, Seamasters and Chronometers of the era (not that they're always perfect but good examples are still easy to find).
     
  2. dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member Jun 19, 2012

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  3. ulackfocus Jun 19, 2012

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    It's the finish on the dial. Take a look at watches from the 20's and 30's and you'll see similar aging and discoloration. Omega kept using outdated techniques and materials well into the 60's which is why you'll see many poorly aged dials from them. In the late 50's many manufacturers started using different coats and finishes which lasted longer. I wish I knew exactly what changed. The lone exception is their gold dials, which seem to hold up very well. That's part of the reason I like them, and suspect it's a good part of why other Omega collectors like them besides the obvious value (right Mike?).


    Ash, that's a refinished dial I think.
     
  4. dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member Jun 19, 2012

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    Wonder why they ever stopped using porcelain, the Cyma pocket watch I have from 100 years ago has a mint condition dial due to being made from that, and there are some makers still using it today, its just an excellent material for dials.
     
  5. ulackfocus Jun 19, 2012

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    Porcelain cracks. :(
     
  6. MSNWatch Vintage Omega Aficionado Staff Member Jun 19, 2012

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    It's possible to find these TDMP watches with very nice dials - will post some from my collection. Hard to find well preserved though because aside from the snapback case, they had 3 holes along the sides (for the corrector buttons) so moisture/water could easily seep in. These watches I think are pretty undervalued in the vintage omega universe. Another caution is you need to make sure with these watches that all the functions are working properly as certain replacement parts are unavailable (or at least unavailable at anything close to reasonable in cost).
     
  7. dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member Jun 19, 2012

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    Is it an Omega movement or is it one of the common TDMP movements of the era rebranded and tweaked?
     
  8. gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Jun 19, 2012

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    Omega was using mostly natural lacquers long after other manufacturers switched to synthetic coatings on their dials. Omega dials were more affected by environmental agents like smoke, radium burn and humidity. The change to tritium lume in the 1960's helped preserve some dials.

    When treasure hunters come across gold objects in the ocean, they usually are not damaged unless in contact with wood (encrustation) or other metals (galvanic corrosion). You can see what I mean in this picture taken from the wreck of the USS Central America:

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    The coins in the picture were sitting on the ocean floor for about 130 years. Gold is a truly noble metal.

    That's why everyone loves it,
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  9. MSNWatch Vintage Omega Aficionado Staff Member Jun 19, 2012

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    The movement is an omega inhouse movement and not rebranded from another maker.
     
  10. omegastar Jun 19, 2013

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    The movement is actually a Lemania movement derived from the 27 chro.
     
  11. Lex4TDI4Life Jun 19, 2013

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  12. SpikiSpikester @ ΩF Staff Member Jun 19, 2013

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    If that's only "just a bit" out of your price range, I envy your watch budget ::money::
     
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  13. MSNWatch Vintage Omega Aficionado Staff Member Jun 19, 2013

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    If so, how many parts do these moonphase movements have in common with the 27CHRO which is a chronograph movement?
     
  14. omegastar Jun 19, 2013

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    "first Omega calendar calibre, the 27 DL (DL for date / moon) , built by Albert Piguet at Lemania, it is derived from caliber 27 CHRO", translated from Omega Saga in french. It means the used the base plate without chronograph module.
     
  15. MSNWatch Vintage Omega Aficionado Staff Member Jun 19, 2013

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    It seems that 90% or more of the parts are different so it's hard to see how much derivation there can be. I don't think the base plates are interchangeable between the movements as well.
     
  16. John R Smith Jun 19, 2013

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    It does crack, but I think it still looks beautiful, unlike the discoloured and disintegrating dials we see from the 1950s. I have been havering about buying this 1930s example for some time, and the cracks don't worry me -

    1930s Omega.jpg
     
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  17. CanberraOmega Rabbitohs and Whisky Supporter Jun 19, 2013

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    Excellent, a chance to pull out photos of my TDMP :D
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  18. CanberraOmega Rabbitohs and Whisky Supporter Jun 19, 2013

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    oh, and bonus points for anyone that can tell me the day and month ::confused2::
     
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  19. MSNWatch Vintage Omega Aficionado Staff Member Jun 19, 2013

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    Well, some of the TDMP dials survive in good shape.

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  20. ulackfocus Jun 19, 2013

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    I hate you.

    ...... in the nicest way possible. (that's a compliment in NJ for all you members from other corners of the globe)