Omega calibre 610 calendar wheel issue

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Hi guys, I hope you are well.

I have this gorgeous cursive Omega geneve that I intend to get working. It's running strong, but the calendar gets stuck at 4 and 29.

Having disassembled the watch, it would appear the teeth that engage when on those dates are worn, so despite it's deceivingly good condition, I think it will need to be replaced (unless anyone else can advise otherwise).

I've looked into the parts, and it would appear I require Omega part number 1500 A , which is the silver calendar disc with black date numbers.

Unfortuantely I missed a NOS one on ebay just last week at a reasonable price. I wondered if anyone here has one I could purchase?

Hope you are all well.

Oliver

 
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Background colour is white?
 
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you must lubricate teeth first and check then
I think I have spare genuine disk but you need to inspect all parts first
does the spring looks OK?
dial sometimes not in right position and touching by side for example
last thing it will be calendar disc in my opinion
 
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you must lubricate teeth first and check then
I think I have spare genuine disk but you need to inspect all parts first
does the spring looks OK?
dial sometimes not in right position and touching by side for example
last thing it will be calendar disc in my opinion
It works absolutely fine apart from on those 2 dates, which show wear on the teeth. Once I manually advance the date by pulling back on the lever, it advances correctly until the next faulty date. I’m fairly sure the disc is the issue. The disc is set correctly and spring looks fine
 
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The problem may not be located at the actual date tooth position, but somewhere else on the disc that's catching on the plate or parts in the track.

You need to inspect the whole disc, preferrably under a microscope.
 
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The problem may not be located at the actual date tooth position, but somewhere else on the disc that's catching on the plate or parts in the track.

You need to inspect the whole disc, preferrably under a microscope.
Yes I've observed it using my loupe. The issues are at the tooth between 4 and 5 and 9 and 10, which correspond with 29 and 3 dates respectively when in operation.

 
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you must lubricate teeth first and check then
I think I have spare genuine disk but you need to inspect all parts first
does the spring looks OK?
dial sometimes not in right position and touching by side for example
last thing it will be calendar disc in my opinion
Did you have the part? Thank you 😀
 
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from my unused stock I have only for cal 750 ( not sure if its fits to cal 610 )

if not I have to search in my pre owned parts but will takes time

 
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from my unused stock I have only for cal 750 ( not sure if its fits to cal 610 )

if not I have to search in my pre owned parts but will takes time

I'm not sure that one would fit
 
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The 750 disk is usually flat to clear the day wheel.
Most of these have a slight curve to match the dial. I was experimenting using the fiber laser to create dial blanks. To fit in the case they need to have a slight dome.

Silvered date disks seem to be the most common. Did the OP try material houses like oFrei or Paylack? Cousins or equivalent in the UK or EU?

I have a few from over the years of collecting.

One of my projects is to repaint a date disk which the paint flaked off.

I come from an era (thirty years or more) where dial painting was standard procedure, Which is something I have been working on for that amount of time. It is harder than it looks, although I tend to not really put much effort in to it after the failures in the 1990s. Using laser printers and toner transfer papers.

Eventually tools like the fiber laser, will once again be used to make replacement parts. Collectors though will still prize originality as long as there is a supply of decent stuff. Much like what happens in other collecting be it cars, or dolls.
 
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The 750 disk is usually flat to clear the day wheel.
Most of these have a slight curve to match the dial. I was experimenting using the fiber laser to create dial blanks. To fit in the case they need to have a slight dome.

Silvered date disks seem to be the most common. Did the OP try material houses like oFrei or Paylack? Cousins or equivalent in the UK or EU?

I have a few from over the years of collecting.

One of my projects is to repaint a date disk which the paint flaked off.

I come from an era (thirty years or more) where dial painting was standard procedure, Which is something I have been working on for that amount of time. It is harder than it looks, although I tend to not really put much effort in to it after the failures in the 1990s. Using laser printers and toner transfer papers.

Eventually tools like the fiber laser, will once again be used to make replacement parts. Collectors though will still prize originality as long as there is a supply of decent stuff. Much like what happens in other collecting be it cars, or dolls.
Cousins UK have it listed as part 1500A however, the part is listed as a "restricted item - not available to order"...
 
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from my unused stock I have only for cal 750 ( not sure if its fits to cal 610 )

if not I have to search in my pre owned parts but will takes time

No, that will not work…
 
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Cousins UK have it listed as part 1500A however, the part is listed as a "restricted item - not available to order"...
That means they don’t have it, and they have not been able to order parts from Omega for 10 years now…
 
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That means they don’t have it, and they have not been able to order parts from Omega for 10 years now…
I wonder why that is. Seems odd that omega would take that from them. I imagine it must have hurt their business somewhat.
 
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I imagine it must have hurt their business somewhat.
It actually hurt many watch related supply houses and watchmakers across the globe.
Cousins have it on their website because they had stock of these items and cataloged them, when they ran out and they could no longer purchase from Omega, they set the listing to "Restricted".

It's still a handy reference for Part Numbers etc.

Not only Omega, many other brands have restricted sale to the general public.
 
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I ve got 2 cal 610 movements and they all without calendar
Will keep searching
 
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I wonder why that is. Seems odd that omega would take that from them. I imagine it must have hurt their business somewhat.
Omega decided that supporting two different distribution channels was not worth doing. They were already selling to watchmakers who had gone through the process of getting a parts account - people like me. They were also selling parts through third party resellers like Cousins, who would then sell to other watchmakers. They decided to just sell directly to watchmakers, and eliminate the other distribution channel.

Any watchmaker can apply for a parts account - but many just whine about it instead. People will talk about Omega making you "jump through hoops" or similar terms, but if you have a well equipped modern shop, have some watchmaking education and experience, and go for some training, you can have an account pretty easily.

Personally I think it's the "going for training" part that scares many of these watchmakers away. They are scared they will fail the training course, so don't want to risk being judged regarding their competence. In reality all Omega wants you to do is show you can do the work to the standard anyone would expect of you as a watchmaker, and at the same time teach you some Omega specific things during the training. Some will look at this as an opportunity, as I did, but others will see it as some egregious violation of their business - can't tell you how many watchmakers I've seen who think they have nothing to learn, or say "Who are these people to judge my work - I've been doing this for XX years!"

The concept of continuous improvement appears lost on these people.
 
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Omega decided that supporting two different distribution channels was not worth doing. They were already selling to watchmakers who had gone through the process of getting a parts account - people like me. They were also selling parts through third party resellers like Cousins, who would then sell to other watchmakers. They decided to just sell directly to watchmakers, and eliminate the other distribution channel.

Any watchmaker can apply for a parts account - but many just whine about it instead. People will talk about Omega making you "jump through hoops" or similar terms, but if you have a well equipped modern shop, have some watchmaking education and experience, and go for some training, you can have an account pretty easily.

Personally I think it's the "going for training" part that scares many of these watchmakers away. They are scared they will fail the training course, so don't want to risk being judged regarding their competence. In reality all Omega wants you to do is show you can do the work to the standard anyone would expect of you as a watchmaker, and at the same time teach you some Omega specific things during the training. Some will look at this as an opportunity, as I did, but others will see it as some egregious violation of their business - can't tell you how many watchmakers I've seen who think they have nothing to learn, or say "Who are these people to judge my work - I've been doing this for XX years!"

The concept of continuous improvement appears lost on these people.
what sort of price are omega charging for this part?