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Omega Bumper Unique Dial-All Legit?

Tony C.
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If they are genuine Omega dials, given the two references, I wanted to check that they were manufactured in a similar time frame.

Having said that, that dial style would have been quite strange for the late '40s...
 
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May I change my opinion from "refinished" to "needs to be refinished?"
 
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@noelekal there is one more option: "finished"!

2467 model with serial no 11228786 is made in 1947 as per the site.

2438-5 is 10755338 is also 1947.

Both dials are contemporaneous 'redials'!
 
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Both dials are contemporaneous 'redials'!
There were dial refinishers who had their own creative dies to reprint years ago. So anything is possible.

Personally, I lean towards original here, but as I said before, it’s impossible to tell. Omega is of no use, because they never opine on dials.

I don’t know what possessed you to take the dial off the watch without proper protection when pulling the hands. You should no need to satisfy a bunch of so-called “experts” who do not posses the information that you have as the owner of this watch.

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Now forum may opine if the dial is a refinish or not.

Two things bother me in the photos - the back side of the dial appears to have had something applied to it in the area of all the applied markers. This could imply that they were removed for refinishing.

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There is a punch mark at 12 - we see notches sometimes in dials, and there's debate if they are from refinishing. I don't believe they always are, because I've seen brand new dials with notches in them. This punch mark though, to me that looks like something done after the dial was originally produced (it has deformed the edge of the dial) and seems like something that a refinisher has used as a reference.

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To me these are both indications of a refinished dial.
 
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There were dial refinishers who had their own creative dies to reprint years ago. So anything is possible.

Personally, I lean towards original here, but as I said before, it’s impossible to tell. Omega is of no use, because they never opine on dials.

I don’t know what possessed you to take the dial off the watch without proper protection when pulling the hands. You should no need to satisfy a bunch of so-called “experts” who do not posses the information that you have as the owner of this watch.

gatorcpa

@gatorcpa the whole day i have been so down and morose! You are correct and I am neither professionally equipped to do it. I myself am to be blamed.

While on the topic of damage, there are experts calling damaged dial as rolex 'spider' dial and heavily damaged is heavily patinated and with 'character'. I sure love the experts' terminology.
 
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While on the topic of damage, there are experts calling damaged dial as rolex 'spider' dial and heavily damaged is heavily patinated and with 'character'. I sure love the experts' terminology.

Yes, sellers often use this terminology...
 
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There is such a thing as an honest patina that lends an attractive vintage look to a nice watch and then there is such a thing as: "clean-up needed in the elementary school hall because little Johnnie just threw up his lunch when he came in from afternoon recess."
 
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There is such a thing as an honest patina that lends an attractive vintage look to a nice watch and then there is such a thing as: "clean-up needed in the elementary school hall because little Johnnie just threw up his lunch when he came in from afternoon recess."

And former is almost always 'mine' and latter 'anybodyelse's'!
 
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bsmitra; Lest you develop a notion that we are all "holier than thou," here is a selection of actual residents of " The Home For Wayward Watches," some having resided here for long years.

"Clean-up on aisle seven" grade patina. Is serviced and runs great. Just too ugly.



"It was original once upon a time." This re-dialed one is the same age as your Omega watch find.


Everybody (outside the watch collecting world) loves "The Shameless Hussey." This re-dialed 1959 vintage Seamaster is the one watch in the collection that gains the most admiring attention from "The Great UnWatched" who don't know any better.


Attention given to insightful posts on Omega Forums, with supporting photography illustrating the good, the bad, and the ugly, can help one guard against such errors in purchase judgement.
 
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"the back side of the dial appears to have had something applied to it in the area of all the applied markers. This could imply that they were removed for refinishing."

@Archer this is the second good point after the point was made about scratched text. But if someone would goto the extent of scratching out OMEGA, he might as well do it too.
 
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"Attention given to insightful posts on Omega Forums, with supporting photography illustrating the good, the bad, and the ugly, can help one guard against such errors in purchase judgement."

@noelekal this wasnt an error in purchase judgement, this was revelatory about experts. Thia forum is damn good for knowledge; however experts are always two handed economists (on the one hand this, on the other that)!

Thank you all so much for your time.
 
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"the back side of the dial appears to have had something applied to it in the area of all the applied markers. This could imply that they were removed for refinishing."

@Archer this is the second good point after the point was made about scratched text. But if someone would goto the extent of scratching out OMEGA, he might as well do it too.

Not sure what point you are trying to make. When a dial is refinished, applied markers are removed so the dial can be stripped and reprinted. The markers are initially held in place by grinding the pins on them after they are pressed onto the dial, which sort of smears their material into the dial and keeps them secure. Once they have been removed, they need to be held in place, and often dial refinishers will use glues to do this.

A dial from the factory doesn't typically have anything painted over the backs of these markers, as your dial has.
 
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…. and, just going back to basics, in your initial post you didn’t say that you’d already purchased it and, secondly, you asked if it was “Legit”.

So, you asked members of a forum what they thought… and you received quite a few responses
 
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…. and, just going back to basics, in your initial post you didn’t say that you’d already purchased it and, secondly, you asked if it was “Legit”.

So, you asked members of a forum what they thought… and you received quite a few responses

I think OP just made a typo in the post title. Replace "?" with "!" and it all starts to make sense.
 
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"Attention given to insightful posts on Omega Forums, with supporting photography illustrating the good, the bad, and the ugly, can help one guard against such errors in purchase judgement."

@noelekal this wasnt an error in purchase judgement, this was revelatory about experts. Thia forum is damn good for knowledge; however experts are always two handed economists (on the one hand this, on the other that)!

Thank you all so much for your time.

Unless that very watch, which is the topic of this thread, which you purchased in that condition, was exactly what you really wanted it to be, in exactly that condition, then you could be said to have committed an error in judgement to purchase that watch with expectations that it is something more than it really is.

Confession is good for the soul. Own up to it and consider it a valuable learning experience.

When it comes to vintage watch collecting, we've all done it (well, maybe with the exception of Archer), if not with watches then with something else we've purchased at some point in our lives
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