Omega Boutique will not fix date function

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Hello,

I have an Omega Seamaster 300 GMT 2538.20 "Great White".

The independently moving hour hand broke due to accidentally moving it backwards during a time set.

I submitted the watch to an Omega Boutique Seoul in South Korea to be overhauled completely. The total cost was estimated to me to be around 700 USD, which I agreed to.

After waiting for nearly 2 months, I recieved a notice to come pick up the watch at the boutique.

Upon examining the watch, i noticed that the watch was switching dates at 2:06am consistently, and not at or around 12am.

I beseeched them to fix it so that the watch would at least switch remotely close to 12am. The boutique representatives were very reluctant to take it back, stating that due to the slow date function of this vintage piece, a date change occurring between the hours of 11pm to 3am was considered within tolerance, but eventually they relented and promised to send it back to the watchmaker.

After one week, they called me and informed me that the watchmaker stated that there was risk of damage to the movement if they attempted to align the date wheel any further, stipulating that the GMT functionality made the alignment of the date wheel very difficult.

I have not yet paid for or picked up the watch yet. I plan on going into the boutique soon to recieve the watch.

Is what Omega claims about my watch, its movement, the date function, and the reluctance to fix this issue by either Boutique and watchmakers considered normal?
 
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I've not worked on an Omega GMT before, and smarter folks will come along after, but that doesn't pass the sniff test to me. The 'risk of damage to the movement' seems odd here. The solution to this is to pull the hands and re-set them more carefully. I've done this on various date-movements and been within ~15 minutes every time (and frankly, pull the hands and re-do it if it is more than ~5 minutes off).

I've not done this on a jump-hour before (just jump GMT), but I don't also see the reason that would cause it to be troublesome.

To me, this very much unacceptable. Omega (IIRC) publishes a tolerance of 10 minutes, and if I paid for service, I'd want it to meet that requirements.

As far as risking the movement... if they break it, they need to fix anything they break.
 
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I've not worked on an Omega GMT before, and smarter folks will come along after, but that doesn't pass the sniff test to me. The 'risk of damage to the movement' seems odd here. The solution to this is to pull the hands and re-set them more carefully. I've done this on various date-movements and been within ~15 minutes every time (and frankly, pull the hands and re-do it if it is more than ~5 minutes off).

I've not done this on a jump-hour before (just jump GMT), but I don't also see the reason that would cause it to be troublesome.

To me, this very much unacceptable. Omega (IIRC) publishes a tolerance of 10 minutes, and if I paid for service, I'd want it to meet that requirements.

As far as risking the movement... if they break it, they need to fix anything they break.
Where does Omega publish a tolerance of 10 minutes? Can you provide links or documentation so I can provide it to the boutique?
 
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Where does Omega publish a tolerance of 10 minutes? Can you provide links or documentation so I can provide it to the boutique?
I don't have it, it is internal docs I suspect. But I saw @Archer has mentioned it on the board a few times. Maybe he can give better evidence.
 
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Is what Omega claims about my watch, its movement, the date function, and the reluctance to fix this issue by either Boutique and watchmakers considered normal?
It's all BS - I'm in the middle of servicing 2 watches with the Cal. 1128 right now, one of which is the exact same model as yours.

So some of the misinformation they are giving you:

It's not a slow date change - it's the same semi-instantaneous date change that you would find on a regular SMP that didn't have the GMT function.

The tolerance for the 1128 is larger than the typical one, but they gave you the wrong numbers. It's from -30 minutes to +180 minutes (so 11:30 to 3). Now in practical terms, it can easily be put to within a few minutes of midnight - I do this all the time on this caliber.

Nothing about making the date change closer to midnight would "cause damage" as they are claiming.

It is not a difficult thing to do at all - it all comes down to how careful the watchmaker/technician is who places the hands on the movement.

The bottom line is, they just do not want to fix it. They are happy with shoddy work...
 
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If you are unhappy, and Omega-South Korea is still unwilling to help you; might want to escalate a higher tier by letting Omega Switzerland know?
 
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Wow. Thank you everyone for your replies and your knowledge. I have just gotten off the phone with Omega Switzerland and they were more than helpful.

I am putting together some documentation including this thread to present to the boutique.

Omega Switzerland has also promised to send me documentation and an official correspondence via their email tomorrow.

I will update my situation as it develops here.

Thank you again for your help.
 
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Wow. Thank you everyone for your replies and your knowledge. I have just gotten off the phone with Omega Switzerland and they were more than helpful.

I am putting together some documentation including this thread to present to the boutique.

Omega Switzerland has also promised to send me documentation and an official correspondence via their email tomorrow.

I will update my situation as it develops here.

Thank you again for your help.
Positive news!
 
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Positive news!
I'm not surprised. I have been really impressed with Omega service/warranty/etc.

This sounds like a bad local SC unfortunately, and I would expect Omega Switzerland will take care of it.
 
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WOW, This is not a cheap watch with (IMO) a precise movement and not within the the limits set by the manufacturer and you are paying a lot of money to sort out the fault/problem. This is not good customer service and I would like to think Omega give you a healthy discount for the shoddy service they have provided. I had something similar with IWC Switzerland and they were most accommodating when their mistake was pointed out to them
 
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Date change can be basically spot on if they pay attention...

 
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@Archer thank you for the video. I have actually emailed both Omega Korea and Omega Switzerland your Youtube video acting as evidence for my case.

All I am asking for is that my watch be aligned and serviced to as accurate to 12AM as possible, I am not asking for a perfect alignment but rather a reasonable date wheel alignment given that I am paying for a full servicing in USD.

Hopefully this request is not seen as too unreasonable by Omega!

I really appreciate all your help and your personal interest in my case. It really is very heartening and encouraging to have such supporters here.
 
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@Archer thank you for the video. I have actually emailed both Omega Korea and Omega Switzerland your Youtube video acting as evidence for my case.

All I am asking for is that my watch be aligned and serviced to as accurate to 12AM as possible, I am not asking for a perfect alignment but rather a reasonable date wheel alignment given that I am paying for a full servicing in USD.

Hopefully this request is not seen as too unreasonable by Omega!

I really appreciate all your help and your personal interest in my case. It really is very heartening and encouraging to have such supporters here.
Interested in how south korea omega reacts. I live in Seoul and will probably use them in 2028 for my Seamaster. The lume needs to be fixed and want to use my warranty before it ends.
 
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@Brah808
and all,

I received a firm confirmation from Omega Switzerland. I was really surprised at how engaged and sincere Omega Switzerland's phone line service was to my request. They (A Omega Switzerland customer service agent) called multiple times, left very detailed and personally reassuring messages. It was even the same exact person who seemed to be personally looking into my issue. They coordinated with Omega Switzerland engineers (watchmakers? technicians), share the official technical observations concerning my issue, and then even personally contacted and messaged the exact Omega Korea representatives who were in charge of my Watch servicing at my boutique.

Omega Korea's representatives promptly gave me 4 phone calls (I was unable to reach the phone over the course of 1 day) to inform me that they have promptly begun the process to enact my requested repairs (more like adjustments to my already complete servicing). It was also very interesting to note that Omega Korea's representatives completely changed their tone and willingness in a drastic 180 degrees. Before, they were almost insulting my intelligence as I tried to personally lobby for my requests - snidely suggesting I didn't know anything about watches or the caliber 1128.

After I went through the extra leg work to call Switzerland, they were completely cheerful and efficient. I do note a little bit of sourness in their email response ( I was CC'ing them on my entire correspondence with Switzerland so that they would know.). I feel like they might perform some sort of malicious compliance with the setting of the date function to be closer to 12am. Their official email states that the slow date change will now occur outside of the official specifications, possibly starting a slow date change at 10pm.

I'm really glad that the outcome of my debacle is potentially positive, I am getting what I want. We still don't know if the watch will be returned in an acceptable condition, but just as @Archer pointed out, the repair that I am asking for should be trivial to a watchmaker.

Once I get the call to pick up the watch, I will record a video and also post the news here.


Here is Omega Korea's official response via email:

Dear **********,

We sincerely appreciate your patience in awaiting our reply.
Following your enquiry, we would like to provide some clarification regarding the date change function of your watch.
The movement fitted in your watch , Calibre 1128, features a “ slow chage” mechanism, whereby the date transitions,
gradually between approximately 11:30PM and 3:00 AM.
This is an intentional characteristic of the movement’s design, and your watch is currently functioning within the expected parameters,
with no indication of a technical fault or service issue.

That said , if prior to the service the date change occurred between midnight and 1:00AM, and you wish to return to that specific timing,
this would require a partial service to re-set the hands (hand re-setting)
Please note that after such an adjustment, the date may beging to shift visibly from around 10:00 PM,
which is a normal behaviour resulting from the slow change structure.
This is not considered a malfunction.

Additionally, please be advised that your watch is still securely stored at the boutique, as it has not yet been collected.
Should you wish to proceed with the hand adjustment, please let us know.
Our boutiques to arrange a new service request.
We would be pleased to assist you further and ensure your watch is set to your preference.

Beat regards,
Omega Korea Customer Care Team.
 
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Here is my entire email chain with Omega Switzerland.

I am choosing to share this correspondence to help any future persons who will be lobbying for similar repairs or adjustments to repairs at Omega Boutiques.

My very first enactment of correspondence to Omega Switzerland was a cold email to [email protected] through the official Omega Website. I created an Omega Account and sent off an email. Then, I performed a cold call straight to their phone service in Switzerland. I stayed up late into the night and called at 3pm Swiss time to avoid lunch time and the end of work hours.

I was immediately forwarded to a live Omega Switzerland representative and I communicated in English. I explained my current situation and what I wanted from Omega. The representative was very cordial and detail oriented. They followed up my call with an email confirmation of our discussion with exactly transcribed points.

Here is the next few emails after the above story:
Email Response from Omega#1

Dear Mr *******,

Thank you for your feedback.

We appreciate the opportunity to provide a more detailed explanation.

Your watch is equipped with calibre 1128, which features a dragging date change mechanism, also known as a slow or gradual date change. This is a characteristic of the movement and not a defect.

With this type of mechanism, the date does not switch instantly at midnight. Instead, the change occurs progressively over several hours:

The date disc begins to move gradually around 10:00 PM. The transition is typically completed by 3:00 AM at the latest.

As such, the acceptable tolerance for the date change is between 30 minutes before midnight and up to 3 hours after.

Adjusting the mechanism to complete the date change exactly at midnight would require the disc to begin shifting much earlier in the evening. This would result in the date appearing misaligned (between two digits) for several hours before midnight, which is generally considered less desirable from a visual standpoint.

Technically, your timepiece would be considered outside of the acceptable tolerance.

However, if you specifically wish to have the date change mechanism adjusted, you are of course welcome to return your timepiece to the service centre.

We will notify our service partners in advance and inquire whether they are able to accommodate your request.

Please note, however, that these are independent service providers, and the final decision rests with them.

With kind regards,
Your OMEGA Team

Email #2 My response to Omega:
Hello,

Thank you for your reply.

Yes please, I would very much appreciate an official communication from Omega Switzerland made to Omega + (my Boutique Location) + South Korea.

Would it be possible for you to provide to me the email/communications after you have sent it to them as well?

I am providing the following video to support my request and this watch servicing related issue.

Here is a Youtube video provided by an Omega Qualified Watchmaker with whom I have been in contact with on the website: OmegaForums.net.

As you can see, the watch is identical to my watch and movement caliber is 1128.

The Date Change is occurring exactly at 12pm.
This proves that this date change is indeed possible and will not cause damage to the watch, which directly disproves the claims made to me by the Omega (Insert Korean City Here) boutique representatives, and that a qualified Omega Watchmaker through an official Omega Boutique should be more than capable of performing this adjustment during a full official Omega servicing and overhaul.

My request is that because I am paying full price for a Omega Watch overhaul and servicing, is that I receive a 100% satisfactory servicing and accurate adjustment that I can expect from Omega and not as such from a non-Omega qualified watchmaker.

Thank you,
Email #3 Response from Omega:
Dear Mr *****,

Thank you for your response.

We were not referring to an official communication in terms of statement or letter; however, we advised the boutique via our local partners to kindly accommodate your request.

As this is internal email, we are unfortunately unable to share the message with you.

Thank you for your understanding and with kind regards,
Your OMEGA Team