Omega 2374 Bumper - terrible or decent re-dial?

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I am looking at this following omega 2374 Bumper and the dial has clearly been done. The whole watch has been restored few years back and I am wondering if it was worth the money someone put in to restore it.

But I am wondering if it’s a bad or a decent re-dial. I can spot some things that don’t look right for a reference 2374 at all. And i also spotted some things that are not right for an early (1944) 2374.

1. the numerals touching the minutetrack —> the minute track should have a smaller diameter and the Arabic numerals should touch the minute track.
2. the „Swiss made“ should be below the six and not on both sides of the 6 o clock
3. the omega logo is positioned wrong - too far down/to close to the Center of the dial and too far away from the minute track.
4. the small second track has Arabic numerals for 15, 30, 45 and 60 seconds. Couldn’t find a single one from the 40s with a numbered small second track
6. the 4 o clock marker is not centered/positioned a little bit off.
5. a later replacement crown.

In the end and although it has all those flaws it looks like it’s done with high quality in my eyes. But I am wondering what the opinion of the other fellow omega enthusiasts. Do you guys think it’s still a decent job although not everything is correct or should that be considered a bad dip Restauration. Trying to learn if I picked up some knowledge on the way and am really happy about feedback and to learn what you guys think about it.

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AFAIK Jose (Perezcope)once said in a video that there should be a separate category for good dial painters and more or less paid tribute to these people. Unfortunately, I can't find the link anymore.
This artist would certainly be banned from entering there.
 
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AFAIK Jose (Perezcope)once said in a video that there should be a separate category for good dial painters and more or less paid tribute to these people. Unfortunately, I can't find the link anymore.
This artist would certainly be banned from entering there.
Haha ok that answers my question if good or bad. In your eyes it’s a bad job. 🤗

But do you spot anything else then what I listed in my post?
 
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Therefore I should see the watch directly...always a challenge to judge by a few pictures. "Destroying" an original dial is always destroying the main value of a vintage watch. my2cents
 
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Therefore I should see the watch directly...always a challenge to judge by a few pictures. "Destroying" an original dial is always destroying the main value of a vintage watch. my2cents
Of course value wise it’s a no go and a bad job anyways. Luckily it’s not about that for me. I don’t care about the value just about educating myself further on the subject of vintage watches.
And so I value your answers and of course it’s hard to tell by a few pictures. Thank you still! 😎
 
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Therefore I should see the watch directly...always a challenge to judge by a few pictures. "Destroying" an original dial is always destroying the main value of a vintage watch. my2cents
Not if the original dial was already destroyed by age or environmental factors.

The main issue we have with redials is that almost no one has the proper dies to refinish most Swiss watches. As a result, many wind up looking nothing like the originals. These are the redials that destroy the value of vintage watches.

However, there are some redial firms who have the tools and dies to do the job properly. Replacing an illegible or ugly patina with a proper redial could enhance the value in comparison with a worn-out, original.

The danger comes when people sell these watches on and don’t disclose the work done or after a watch has been sold several times and no one remembers what was done to it.

That’s my 2¢,
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Not if the original dial was already destroyed by age or environmental factors.

The main issue we have with redials is that almost no one has the proper dies to refinish most Swiss watches. As a result, many wind up looking nothing like the originals. These are the redials that destroy the value of vintage watches.

However, there are some redial firms who have the tools and dies to do the job properly. Replacing an illegible or ugly patina with a proper redial could enhance the value in comparison with a worn-out original.

The danger comes when people sell these watches on and don’t disclose the work done or after a watch has been sold several times and no one remembers what was done to it.

That’s my 2¢,
gatorcpa
That in fact sounds more like the concern. The fact that few people have the right materials and also that it often isn’t disclosed. There I totally agree with you and I get why people are against re-dials so much.

For the watch above it was stated that it was restored a while ago. That got me interested in testing my knowledge and looking in detail at the dial. I ask the seller a few questions and he said his dad had it done because the dial wasn’t readable anymore and stated that his dad paied quiet a lot for it. So at least he is an honest seller. But he couldn’t give any answer on who did the Restauration. It probably wasn’t omega looking at all the small flaws the dial has.

Knowing this I didn’t want to bid on this watch since I noticed all the small flaws stated above.
But someone else did and bought it for 625€ at the end. Which I think is a lot for it with all those small flaws on the dial.
Lets hope the person won’t find its way on here with regret and concerns about that watch restoration job. 😎
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I would never consider buying a watch with such an obvious and inaccurate re-dial, regardless of whether you think the painting was done with "high quality." It takes some patience to find an original bumper Omega in good condition, but it's not impossible, and prices are not outrageous. So why would you buy this watch?
 
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1. the numerals touching the minutetrack —> the minute track should have a smaller diameter and the Arabic numerals should touch the minute track.
2. the „Swiss made“ should be below the six and not on both sides of the 6 o clock
3. the omega logo is positioned wrong - too far down/to close to the Center of the dial and too far away from the minute track.
4. the small second track has Arabic numerals for 15, 30, 45 and 60 seconds. Couldn’t find a single one from the 40s with a numbered small second track
6. the 4 o clock marker is not centered/positioned a little bit off.

But I am wondering if it’s a bad or a decent re-dial.

If the list is as long as above, you can be guaranteed it’s not a decent redial.

There are some threads showing very good redials on the forum I recall.

For well executed redials, unless you have the watch in person, or a super loupe, it’s really difficult to fault it. So your list above is near empty.

The vast majority of old redials will be rather crude, in general.
 
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I would never consider buying a watch with such an obvious and inaccurate re-dial, regardless of whether you think the painting was done with "high quality." It takes some patience to find an original bumper Omega in good condition, but it's not impossible, and prices are not outrageous. So why would you buy this watch?
Oh yes it always takes time to find good vintage stuff and on the lookout for a decent bumper omega I stumbled upon that offer and just thought to educate me further now with the help of guys on here. And you guys just proved me right not to bid on it. It shows me I am starting to have a bit more knowledge and understanding to see that it is off in different ways.

And yes my first impression was considering bidding on it but looking at it further and writing with the seller I didn’t consider it anymore. I am still more or less new to this stuff and happy that I managed not to make a bold and first „big“ mistake with this watch.
And in the end I also cannot explain to you why someone paid 625€ for it.
 
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Oh yes it always takes time to find good vintage stuff and on the lookout for a decent bumper omega I stumbled upon that offer and just thought to educate me further now with the help of guys on here. And you guys just proved me right not to bid on it. It shows me I am starting to have a bit more knowledge and understanding to see that it is off in different ways.

And yes my first impression was considering bidding on it but looking at it further and writing with the seller I didn’t consider it anymore. I am still more or less new to this stuff and happy that I managed not to make a bold and first „big“ mistake with this watch.
And in the end I also cannot explain to you why someone paid 625€ for it.
Often these re-dialed watches are not particularly bargains.
 
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If the list is as long as above, you can be guaranteed it’s not a decent redial.

There are some threads showing very good redials on the forum I recall.

For well executed redials, unless you have the watch in person, or a super loupe, it’s really difficult to fault it. So your list above is near empty.

The vast majority of old redials will be rather crude, in general.
Thanks for your further insights!
 
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Often these re-dialed watches are not particularly bargains.
Somehow that’s surprising for me and in some ways it’s not…. People tend to buy anything and often for more money than they should. So in that way it’s logical but still not understandable for me…..
 
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Somehow that’s surprising for me and in some ways it’s not…. People tend to buy anything and often for more money than they should. So in that way it’s logical but still not understandable for me…..
I think that many people buying these watches are not collectors, and they just get emotionally attached to a vintage watch that looks good at first glance.
 
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I think that many people buying these watches are not collectors, and they just get emotionally attached to a vintage watch that looks good at first glance.
That indeed sounds like a plausible explanation 😵‍💫
And if you are not a collector you might also not care if it is not original or genuine… as long as it meets your taste and you like it. Sounds definitely like a plausible explanation for me….
 
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Honestly, I think that dial is done pretty attractively, and if the price(and listings!) reflects that it isn't an original dial, it is a watch that I would wear, and would enjoy.

For a non-collector, the fact that it is a redial is irrelevant, as long as it looks good, and wears nicely. And I often find myself falling into that camp.
 
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Honestly, I think that dial is done pretty attractively, and if the price(and listings!) reflects that it isn't an original dial, it is a watch that I would wear, and would enjoy.

For a non-collector, the fact that it is a redial is irrelevant, as long as it looks good, and wears nicely. And I often find myself falling into that camp.
That’s the other way to look at it and I admire you for being able to look at it like this - I somehow can’t. I need my stuff to be authentic.

But yes in this case listing stated that the watch was restored and the seller answered on my questions that the watch was restored and also that the dial has undergone a rebuild. So he was truthful and the price reflected what someone was willing to pay for it. I mean it was the price the auction ended at 🤗😉