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Omega 166.092

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Hello!
I have a friends watch on the bench and would love to share some photos and get some thoughts.
It has a been a fun one to research.
This one has got a whole lot wrong going on and once you see one thing, you start seeing lots of things wrong 🧵

The dial on the 166.092 seem to dominantly have the single bushed direction vs the 166.066 that has the "X" pattern. The 192 has the -swiss made- below the indices and the 066 between. Not sure if there was a transitional dial where the 'X' pattern was on a 192. I have never seen the back of a know genuine example to know if this is a bad redial or an outright forgery. Dial does not have any Lum, Swiss Made is too low and lacking dashes, Brush direction is not straight, date disc is black rather than the white, etc, etc.. Dial used little adhesive pad in addition to a single dial foot. (seen on the movement).

The Case is poorly polished and possibly suspect, Crown looks correct, Caseback looks correct - but at this stage unsure about any of it.
Hands are in bad shape. Second sweeps is incorrect color and shape, hour and minute looks like some others online but at this point would doubt it.

I appreciate any thoughts/comments on this. Fun reference. I do love this hobby for the forensic side it offers, less fun to tell a friend that watch he bought 7 years ago looks to be not what he thought it was 😀

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little bump.
additionally - anyone have any knowledge if the dial for a 166.092 can be purchased from an omega authorized watchmaker?

thanks!
ZWD ZWD
Hello!
I have a friends watch on the bench and would love to share some photos and get some thoughts.
It has a been a fun one to research.
This one has got a whole lot wrong going on and once you see one thing, you start seeing lots of things wrong 🧵

The dial on the 166.092 seem to dominantly have the single bushed direction vs the 166.066 that has the "X" pattern. The 192 has the -swiss made- below the indices and the 066 between. Not sure if there was a transitional dial where the 'X' pattern was on a 192. I have never seen the back of a know genuine example to know if this is a bad redial or an outright forgery. Dial does not have any Lum, Swiss Made is too low and lacking dashes, Brush direction is not straight, date disc is black rather than the white, etc, etc.. Dial used little adhesive pad in addition to a single dial foot. (seen on the movement).

The Case is poorly polished and possibly suspect, Crown looks correct, Caseback looks correct - but at this stage unsure about any of it.
Hands are in bad shape. Second sweeps is incorrect color and shape, hour and minute looks like some others online but at this point would doubt it.

I appreciate any thoughts/comments on this. Fun reference. I do love this hobby for the forensic side it offers, less fun to tell a friend that watch he bought 7 years ago looks to be not what he thought it was 😀

SM166092_001.webp SM166092_002.webp SM166092_003.webp SM166092_004.webp SM166092_005.webp SM166092_006.webp SM166092_007.webp SM166092_008.webp SM166092_009.webp
 
JimInOz
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Looking at the print I suspect a redial.
The surface finish is extremely irregular for a brushed pattern.
Swiss Made is also incorrectly positioned for a "below markers" style.
I'm not sure, but maybe I can see spots of glue on the back where the markers have been re-attached.

ZWD ZWD
anyone have any knowledge if the dial for a 166.092 can be purchased from an omega authorized watchmaker?
They can access parts for repairs and servicing but are prohibited from selling parts.
 
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Well i found a replacement dial!
Onto the next thing with a new question for the community -

This movement appears to have multiple configurations for the cannon pinon, hour wheel and sweep second pinon.
Can anyone with the knowledge please inform me of which of these are spec'd for this watch?

I'm guessing it is the H2 variant of these parts?
1000-7231 H2 Sweep Seconds Pinion
1000-1233 H2 Hour Wheel
1000-1220 H2 Cannon Pinon

Thanks you for any info on this!
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Hello,

I just serviced a 166.092 with a silver linen dial and indeed this one had a reprinted dial. Glad you found a replacement!

The calendar wheel is also the wrong one, the original is kind of silver brushed, reference 1000-1580 (or 1582).

The movement is very dirty and needs a full service, but I think you know about that already.

Is the rotor missing or was it only removed to take a better picture of the movement? Also, make sure to check how free it is, since I see some rubbing on the automatic bridge. Before cleaning you can check that by using a red or black marker where you see the marks and see if by using the watch (or putting it in a winding machine) the ink gets taken off by the rotor. If this is the case, you might need to either replace the oscillating weight lock (1000-1451), the small wheel for the winding gear (1000-1454), or the rotor if it is untrue.
The rotor is the first thing I would check in this case.

Another thing regarding this watch is that it comes with a magnetic ring, that you are missing it seems?

The parts you mentioned should all be the same, standard ones for movement 1000, since the 1002 follows the same spare parts list from Omega (you can easily find it online). Just make sure they are from 1000 because already for calibers series 1010 many components are different.

However, upon further look I do see different parts listed under the same components that you listed, but I am not entirely sure on which ones are the ones fitting this exact reference, I am sorry.

Maybe some certified Omega watchmakers can jump in?

@Archer

Hope this helps 😀

Enzo
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thank you for the response!

i feel lucky to have found one in Spain that was labeled as a caliber 1012 dial, and was in good shape.

yes calendar wheel has been replaced with the correct color.

i put a new rotor axel on as the previous one was bent (as you pointed to the evidence of it 😀

movement cover was not photographed.

Did your 166.092 have a red plastic spacer in between the dial and movement / surrounding the date disk? i couldnt tell if that was added because of a missing foot on the previous dial or was original.

there are a few height variations of the cannon pinion, hour wheel and seconds pinion for the 1000. im led to believe the proper one is something non standard because of the height of the indices.

unfortunately it looks like the 1220 “H2” cannon pinion is the only thing I cant find at the moment.

thanks again for your reply!
 
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ZWD ZWD
thank you for the response!

i feel lucky to have found one in Spain that was labeled as a caliber 1012 dial, and was in good shape.

yes calendar wheel has been replaced with the correct color.

i put a new rotor axel on as the previous one was bent (as you pointed to the evidence of it 😀

movement cover was not photographed.

Did your 166.092 have a red plastic spacer in between the dial and movement / surrounding the date disk? i couldnt tell if that was added because of a missing foot on the previous dial or was original.

there are a few height variations of the cannon pinion, hour wheel and seconds pinion for the 1000. im led to believe the proper one is something non standard because of the height of the indices.

unfortunately it looks like the 1220 “H2” cannon pinion is the only thing I cant find at the moment.

thanks again for your reply!
Yes, it had the same spacer! Which actually makes me think that it might serve to heighten the dial and adjust for the height of the indices?

Good luck with your search
 
Archer
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ZWD ZWD
little bump.
additionally - anyone have any knowledge if the dial for a 166.092 can be purchased from an omega authorized watchmaker?

thanks!
The dial is still available from Omega. Unlikely a certified watchmaker will just sell you a dial, but they can buy it and install it for you.
 
Archer
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ZWD ZWD
Well i found a replacement dial!
Onto the next thing with a new question for the community -

This movement appears to have multiple configurations for the cannon pinon, hour wheel and sweep second pinon.
Can anyone with the knowledge please inform me of which of these are spec'd for this watch?

I'm guessing it is the H2 variant of these parts?
1000-7231 H2 Sweep Seconds Pinion
1000-1233 H2 Hour Wheel
1000-1220 H2 Cannon Pinon

Thanks you for any info on this!
You appear to have the dial and hands fitted already, or at least have had them on the movement. Do the hands clear the dial indices?

If so, measure the height of the hour wheel.

H0 will be 1.27 mm
H1 will be 1.52 mm
H2 will be 1.77 mm

Whatever height the hour wheel is the rest will be, so an H2 hour wheel will need an H2 cannon pinion and an H2 sweep seconds pinion.
 
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Archer Archer
You appear to have the dial and hands fitted already, or at least have had them on the movement. Do the hands clear the dial indices?

If so, measure the height of the hour wheel.

H0 will be 1.27 mm
H1 will be 1.52 mm
H2 will be 1.77 mm

Whatever height the hour wheel is the rest will be, so an H2 hour wheel will need an H2 cannon pinion and an H2 sweep seconds pinion.
thank you for the responses!
hands are bent upward to clear emblem and indices. They also are not fully seated on the pinions/posts to clear the dial itself so definitely needs H1 or H2. was curious if that was specified on a parts list for the 166.092

any more info on it would be dearly appreciated 😀

thanks again!
 
Archer
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ZWD ZWD
thank you for the responses!
hands are bent upward to clear emblem and indices. They also are not fully seated on the pinions/posts to clear the dial itself so definitely needs H1 or H2. was curious if that was specified on a parts list for the 166.092

any more info on it would be dearly appreciated 😀

thanks again!
It is not specified - you need to see what the height is of what you have now and see what it would take to clear the hands.
 
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