Omega 166.010 cal 565 Dial questions

GordanDaniel · Feb 10, 2020

Hello Omega Forum !

I am considering another vintage omega and have found a few that are local to me. But im not any kind of expert so i have some questions.
(there will be a post after this for the second option)

There is a 166.010 cal 565 for sale for fairly cheap. Claims to be recently serviced and keeping time.
However the dial is what i have questions about. there is a large amount of patina, so much so that you can barely make out the "omega" and "seamaster" logos.

Does this make it less desirable, enough to not purchase it?

It looks as if it may have a replacement crown as well?

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chipsotoole · Feb 10, 2020

Various folks will tell you that a dial is anything from 60-80% of a watches value and or desirability. This, ahem, patinated dial is pretty screwed. Unless you've found it at a flea market or car boot sale for a couple of quid most folk here would advise against a purchase. It depends really on :
1) the price
2) would you proudly wear it as is
3) whether or not you'd go down a redial route is order to wear it and thereby devalue it further (or not)

Crown isn"t original and although I like the case without a look at the back cover, I'm not entirely sure it's original either.

I AM a fan of cal 565 movements..real quality workhorse of their era..and this one at first glance looks pretty good.

You probably need to try it on your wrist- both for size and time viewing ability. I think I'd personally find the dial far too gone.

...Unless of course it was silly silly cheap...

Passover · Feb 10, 2020

GordanDaniel
Does this make it less desirable, enough to not purchase it?

Do you buy watches because they are "desireable" or do you buy watches because you think: What a great watch! ?

GordanDaniel · Feb 10, 2020

Passover
Do you buy watches because they are "desireable" or do you buy watches because you think: What a great watch! ?

Definitely "what a great watch" however, i like to ensure that i can sell the watch later if decide to trade up, etc.
I personally really like the dial but if i cant sell it later for anything close to what i paid, id prefer to stay away.

Shabbaz · Feb 10, 2020

That's not patina.

Shabbaz · Feb 10, 2020

GordanDaniel
Definitely "what a great watch" however, i like to ensure that i can sell the watch later if decide to trade up, etc.
I personally really like the dial but if i cant sell it later for anything close to what i paid, id prefer to stay away.

What do you like about this dial? I really would like to know. It should look like this.

GordanDaniel · Feb 10, 2020

chipsotoole
Various folks will tell you that a dial is anything from 60-80% of a watches value and or desirability. This, ahem, patinated dial is pretty screwed. Unless you've found it at a flea market or car boot sale for a couple of quid most folk here would advise against a purchase. It depends really on :
1) the price
2) would you proudly wear it as is
3) whether or not you'd go down a redial route is order to wear it and thereby devalue it further (or not)

Crown isn"t original and although I like the case without a look at the back cover, I'm not entirely sure it's original either.

I AM a fan of cal 565 movements..real quality workhorse of their era..and this one at first glance looks pretty good.

You probably need to try it on your wrist- both for size and time viewing ability. I think I'd personally find the dial far too gone.

...Unless of course it was silly silly cheap...

First off, thank you so much for your information,

its priced at $850 Canadian. So i would not say that it is silly cheap.

I quite like the dial really.. but if i cant sell it later when i want to trade up, or whatever the case may be then id rather stay away.

GordanDaniel · Feb 10, 2020

Shabbaz
What do you like about this dial? I really would like to know. It should look like this.

I seem to like an "off brown" colour mostly.
other than that i dont like much about it. I would like the inscriptions to be more apparent.
Nice to know the "before" condition

Thank you

Shabbaz · Feb 10, 2020

GordanDaniel
its priced at $850 Canadian. So i would not say that it is silly cheap.

Pass, run and never look back

GordanDaniel · Feb 10, 2020

Shabbaz
Pass, run and never look back

Thank you so much, its nice to have experts on this forum to turn to.
I inherited a vintage pie pan that sparked this whole interest, i plan to learn more every day, but i thank you for your time.

Rochete · Feb 10, 2020

Looks like a franken. It isn't even a 565, which is an automatic movement while that one is manual, a 61x. Case dubious, do you have a photo of the inside of caseback? I won't even mention the quoted price...🤦

New Yorker · Feb 10, 2020

Yuck.

wilderbeast · Feb 10, 2020

You’ll find far better Seamasters in better condition for the money, and many here would advise looking through the Private Watch Sales forum here to “recalibrate” what you might be best looking for. Calibre 565 was used in a lot of Omega lines (there’s one in the Dynamic in my avatar) and, has been pointed out, is a great workhorse movement.

You seem to be at the extreme end of “patina appreciation“ and for that reason alone, I think you’d find it hard to sell this on as most people interested in vintage watches expect something in better condition. The watch's various flaws and the steep price, your love of the dial notwithstanding, make this one to avoid.

GordanDaniel · Feb 10, 2020

wilderbeast
You’ll find far better Seamasters in better condition for the money, and many here would advise looking through the Private Watch Sales forum here to “recalibrate” what you might be best looking for. Calibre 565 was used in a lot of Omega lines (there’s one in the Dynamic in my avatar) and, has been pointed out, is a great workhorse movement.

You seem to be at the extreme end of “patina appreciation“ and for that reason alone, I think you’d find it hard to sell this on as most people interested in vintage watches expect something in better condition. The watch's various flaws and the steep price, your love of the dial notwithstanding, make this one to avoid.

I am of course VERY new to this whole world, so i apologize for my probably embarrassing ignorance.
I do have a constellation of which is in amazing original condition as well, as i do very much appreciate that realm of it all, but yes. something about "incredibly weathered" seems to appeal to my personality.

Again thank you for your time on both my posts. It is appreciated.

Shabbaz · Feb 10, 2020

Stick around, get yourself a avatar, read up and start collecting. Welcome!

GordanDaniel · Feb 10, 2020

N New Yorker
Yuck.

Noted, thank you

GordanDaniel · Feb 10, 2020

Rochete
Looks like a franken. It isn't even a 565, which is an automatic movement while that one is manual, a 61x. Case dubious, do you have a photo of the inside of caseback? I won't even mention the quoted price...🤦

I thought the same thing, i have a 564 constellation of which the movement looks WAY different.
thank you

BlackTalon · Feb 10, 2020

Rochete
Looks like a franken. It isn't even a 565, which is an automatic movement while that one is manual, a 61x. Case dubious, do you have a photo of the inside of caseback? I won't even mention the quoted price...🤦

I suspect whatever did a number on the dial ruined the original movement as well.

nicks · Feb 10, 2020

Hard pass; wildly overpriced. Lots and lots and lots of better vintage Omegas, in Canada, for that money.

Feel free to PM me if you want some reliable Canadian sellers. Good luck with the hunt.

Archer · Feb 10, 2020

Rochete
Looks like a franken. It isn't even a 565, which is an automatic movement while that one is manual, a 61x. Case dubious, do you have a photo of the inside of caseback? I won't even mention the quoted price...🤦

This is an automatic with the module that does the automatic winding removed. The 600 series looks quite different...

Cheers, Al

Omega 166.010 cal 565 Dial questions

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