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1. Does the No Name Constellation (like the one below) number in the hundreds sold in the US early in the line, instead of thousands (as the seller is stating)
2. Crown is being disclosed as replacement here, but the case back looks polished (medallion is worn, but surrounding steels seems brushed?)
3. Is the movement acceptably clean (I have some doubt especially since it is being stated as recently serviced)
4. eBay sold items give only 1 recent transaction, but for $2,499 - perhaps offer accepted, but eBay is still showing list price - as I don't think $2500 is the going price. Am I right? If yes, what is fair price any of you would pay for the pictured watch?
 
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2.1 Would a polished caseback/medallion detract from the collectible value (and $ value of a watch). Not sure why one would want to polish a Connie caseback considering the chance of erasing the medallion stars - but it seems to have been expertly done here or am I totally off in thinking it is polished?
 
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What looks suspicious to me is the print on the dial, especially the misplaced minute track and the crosshair not being perfect and the rest as well. I don't want to repeat this bad word again...

Judging by the pics, the movement hasn't been serviced recently, at least if service means service.

The caseback has been polished or let's say brushed, because there were scratches from unsuccessfull opening attempts.

If it was me, I'd stay away from this one.

Edit: I forgot to mention the damage on the lugs thanks to this Speidel bracelet.
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That dial is not right. The minute markers on the left side do not line up with the point of the hour markers; the Omega symbol is sitting right on top of the lettering below; and the vertical crosshair does not run through the centre of the Omega symbol.

The back looks reasonable: it has been lightly buffed, which makes the observatory all shiny (ugh) but the brushing is obviously more resistant so it is only a little polished.

However the dial is enough to put me off: not for me at any price.
 
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Thank you. For everyone’s benefit could you elaborate what exactly don’t you like on the crosshairs and dial print? Now that I look at it, even the markers and the shark teeth appear to have been transplanted!
 
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To my untrained eyes, these some of the issues I noted on the dial ( most already been highlighted ).
1. Most of the hour markers not aligned to the hour mark on the dial.
2. The star not center to the crosshair.
3. Some of the minute print on the dial are inconsistent
..ie..some are shorter and thicker than others.
(Subtle)

Hope that helps.
 
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....the Omega symbol is sitting right on top of the lettering below; and the vertical crosshair does not run through the centre of the Omega symbol.

Not so. The lower edge of the Omega symbol is the correct distance from the text; the shadow is what you are confusing it with. Likewise the seconds hand is possibly the reason you mistakenly think the crosshair is not centered. If you can't spot basic stuff like that then you shouldn't be giving advice to beginners.

Regarding the position of the markers, dials were contracted out to different makers, QC was not what it is now and judging by the number of genuine dials with printing slightly offset, that was not deemed sufficient reason to reject them. Nobody was expecting collectors to be scrutinising them with a magnifying glass decades later.

IMO this is an original dial. If it is in fact a redial, it isn't for the reasons given above.
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I asses the watch as genuine. It´s worn but with no serious issues in my opinion.
 
OMEGuy
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Has anybody had a closer look at the "SWISS" of the OP's dial?

I believe this dial looks nice:

https://omegaforums.net/threads/wit...onstellation-ref-2652-globemaster-2600.70173/

507294-5dd2604fe1541ef4d520532b0ba565fd.jpg
 
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Dial is correct. Case back has seen a lathe and polishing wheel. Crown could be correct, and 10-siders should be available for that reference if you want to change.

Watch is very, very overpriced.
gatorcpa
 
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Interesting opinions. I was never even considering paying $2,5K. But is $1,5K a fair price?
 
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Interesting opinions. I was never even considering paying $2,5K. But is $1,5K a fair price?
Still too high. I like it at under $1,000.
gatorcpa
 
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OMEGuy OMEGuy
Has anybody had a closer look at the "SWISS" of the OP's dial?

I believe this dial looks nice:

https://omegaforums.net/threads/wit...onstellation-ref-2652-globemaster-2600.70173/

507294-5dd2604fe1541ef4d520532b0ba565fd.jpg
One of my favorites and I’m glad I didn’t let it go. Lately, I have not seen any good example of these sell for less than $1500 of the very few seen for sale. Here’s another version with a 352 movement:
https://omegaforums.net/attachments/9c3d0382-79ea-4c73-92cb-e48cb4e19fff-jpeg.926795/
 
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This one looks good to me, I believe the issue with the minute track is simply a lack of quality control. There is certainly some age evident on this dial as can be seen in the slight freckling evident in the first photo. I'm with @gatorcpa on price, it should be under a grand while the arrowheads demand a premium that is countered with the caseback being polished.
 
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That's my watch in Desmond's blog post.

IMG_4741.jpg

Funny to see that it shares the same alignment issues at 10, 11, 1 and 4.

Hey... You aren't a serial redialed, are you?! 😲
 
OMEGuy
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That's my watch in Desmond's blog post.

IMG_4741.jpg

Thank you for sharing this picture. 😀 I consider this to be a reference, which I hadn't before.

Now it is obvious to me that the imperfections are basically the same on both dials and as such have to be considered to be perfect for a correct dial...
 
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Edward53 Edward53
Not so. The lower edge of the Omega symbol is the correct distance from the text; the shadow is what you are confusing it with. Likewise the seconds hand is possibly the reason you mistakenly think the crosshair is not centered. If you can't spot basic stuff like that then you shouldn't be giving advice to beginners.

Regarding the position of the markers, dials were contracted out to different makers, QC was not what it is now and judging by the number of genuine dials with printing slightly offset, that was not deemed sufficient reason to reject them. Nobody was expecting collectors to be scrutinising them with a magnifying glass decades later.

IMO this is an original dial. If it is in fact a redial, it isn't for the reasons given above.

Thanks for your helpful response. I am clearly mistaken, and promise to put my magnifying glass at the back of the drawer.
 
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