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I take absolutely no offense at Chris75s comments. I actually love these types of discussions and I encourage them! To my eyes, this is an exceptional watch, but everyone has their different perspectives. The term ‘unpolished’ is overused and in many cases unprovable. I have no doubt that this watch has been lightly polished in the past, as have the vast, vast majority of watches from 1972 unless they were literally sitting in someone’s safe and never serviced.

To me, these lugs look thick:
They are thick, the problem is that pinholes are too near to bevels.

Such a short distance is the first and biggest sign of a polished / recut case.

Polished and unpolished is not relative, subjective or observer related (as it may be 'too polished').

That said as long as you are happy with the watch everything is ok.
 
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Very nice watch. I love the Pepsi design.

All the rest of the discussion should be by the way.
 
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They are thick, the problem is that pinholes are too near to bevels.

Such a short distance is the first and biggest sign of a polished / recut case.

Polished and unpolished is not relative, subjective or observer related (as it may be 'too polished').

That said as long as you are happy with the watch everything is ok.

This is maybe easier to understand by looking at a comparison image. Untouched cases are rare.
(from https://www.watchprosite.com/rolex/a-case-primer-for-the-rolex-1675--unpolished-/732.791448.5303788/)

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I am sorry I really didn't mean to criticize the watch just for fun.

Imo a watch with a case in that condition is far from exceptional, and often big dealers take advantages of their name to sell watches that aren't as exceptional as claimed.
Chris, it's clear to me that you have no idea what you're talking about. First, if you've studied the history of the GMT you'd know that Rolex intermittently, depending on the period, cut the lug holes closer or farther from the lug edge. The 6542 lug holes in the late 1950s were usually cut right near the bevels on the lugs, later 5513/5512 examples were cut further from the bevels, and then in the late 1970s the holes appeared closer to the edge of the lugs as the bevels were much less prominent on the case. Looking at the edges on the back of the case near the crown guards, the clear, worn (not sharp) bevels on the lugs, as well as the flat lug holes placed perfectly near the lug edge, indicates the case is clearly unpolished. Chris, if you're going to contradict a dealer as skilled and honest as Eric Wind, I suggest you take your ignorance to another forum.
 
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Green with envy! Stunning watch in exceptional condition!
 
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Chris, it's clear to me that you have no idea what you're talking about. First, if you've studied the history of the GMT you'd know that Rolex intermittently, depending on the period, cut the lug holes closer or farther from the lug edge. The 6542 lug holes in the late 1950s were usually cut right near the bevels on the lugs, later 5513/5512 examples were cut further from the bevels, and then in the late 1970s the holes appeared closer to the edge of the lugs as the bevels were much less prominent on the case. Looking at the edges on the back of the case near the crown guards, the clear, worn (not sharp) bevels on the lugs, as well as the flat lug holes placed perfectly near the lug edge, indicates the case is clearly unpolished. Chris, if you're going to contradict a dealer as skilled and honest as Eric Wind, I suggest you take your ignorance to another forum.

Jeffari I am sorry but that watch is clearly polished, as stated also from other members.

I am also sorry that the simple fact that I am criticizing a watch from your friend Eric ( that we can see sitting next to you in the picture) made you write your first post on this forum.

I am not here to criticize Mr. Eric Wind as a dealer, I was merely stating my opinion on a polished watch, that, as the OP also said, wasn't in fact sold as unpolished.

Facts, by the way, may contradict also big dealers, as happened specifically to Mr. WInd in the past ( I remember recently a problem with an Explorer 6610 with an "odd" minute hand) and to many other big names.

The crown guards, the case, the lugs and the bevels clearly show that the case was polished, no matter how skilled your friend Eric may have been.

Last pictures are of real unpolished 1675 from the same period of the OP one.

This is a free forum, a place of discussion and knowledge, not a big dealers' club.
 
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Great reference. For me, the dial and the very nice and rare fat font insert was what sold this watch for me. I felt the case is strong.
Jeffari I am sorry but that watch is clearly polished, as stated also from other members.

I am also sorry that the simple fact that I am criticizing a watch from your friend Eric ( that we can see sitting next to you in the picture) made you write your first post on this forum.

I am not here to criticize Mr. Eric Wind as a dealer, I was merely stating my opinion on a polished watch, that, as the OP also said, wasn't in fact sold as unpolished.

Facts, by the way, may contradict also big dealers, as happened specifically to Mr. WInd in the past ( I remember recently a problem with an Explorer 6610 with an "odd" minute hand) and to many other big names.

The crown guards, the case, the lugs and the bevels clearly show that the case was polished, no matter how skilled your friend Eric may have been.

Last pictures are of real unpolished 1675 from the same period of the OP one.

This is a free forum, a place of discussion and knowledge, not a big dealers' club.
 
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Chris, I am proud to call Eric Wind my friend. And I’m even prouder to have purchased most of my watches from Mr. Wind. I think my collection speaks for itself. I’m happy to compare collections anytime to see who has a better understanding of vintage sports Rolex and who understands what an unpolished watch looks like.
And you are correct in saying this is a forum for sharing true knowledge. That’s why I think you should share elsewhere.
 
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I do not understand where the problem lies if the watch was not sold as unpolished?
 
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Chris, I am proud to call Eric Wind my friend. And I’m even prouder to have purchased most of my watches from Mr. Wind. I think my collection speaks for itself. I’m happy to compare collections anytime to see who has a better understanding of vintage sports Rolex and who understands what an unpolished watch looks like.
And you are correct in saying this is a forum for sharing true knowledge. That’s why I think you should share elsewhere.

I am not comparing or flexing collection, I have just stated a fact: that watch isn't unpolished.

It's not a big deal: other members (do you want to compare your collection also with them?) stated that was polished too.

The OP himself admitted it wasn't sold as unpolished.

As far as I know Mr.Wind is a dealer like many others, that has sold regular watches but also some questionable watches ( as for example last month the Explorer 6610 I mentioned before), and the fact that a watch comes from him doesn't itself make it right.

And, as I told you before, I am not questioning Mr.Wind, I just expressed my opinion on a specific watch, and I posted also pictures of real unpolished case to show the difference.

That case is polished, so in my opinion that watch isn't exceptional, because there are many other polished watches out there.

I am really tired of these big dealers that for the fact that they have big money then you can't discuss their watches (or their fake blueberry insert for example..).

Again, This is a place of discussion and knowledge, not a big dealers' club.

And the argument "mr.Wind is a friend and I have a beautiful collection purchased from him" isn't a good argument.
 
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So we have two lurkers suddenly emerging to air personal grievances that apparently center around a well-established dealer. One is posting photos of the other without permission, and the other responds by saying "mine is bigger than yours". This is unfair to the OP, who is a relatively new collector that is happy and excited about his purchase. Take it offline please (or to rolexforums).
 
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So we have two lurkers suddenly emerging to air personal grievances that apparently center around a well-established dealer. One is posting photos of the other without permission, and the other responds by saying "mine is bigger than yours". This is unfair to the OP, who is a relatively new collector that is happy and excited about his purchase. Take it offline please (or to rolexforums).

I am sorry but I have only expressed an opinion on watch.

I wrote: "Dial and insert are very nice, but case has been refinished / recut: if you check there is very little distance between lugs and pinholes."

Everything would have been ok if the watch hasn't been sold by a "well-established dealer": suddenly his friend come posting here (for the first time) defending the big dealer's name.

Excusatio non petita, accusatio manifesta.

I only posted the picture (a public one by the way) because it may haven't been clear to most that Jeffari was a friend of the seller (mr.Wind) and so clearly biased about him.

I also posted pictures of unpolished cases, because this was the point of our discussion.

And please remember that every dealer is "well-established" until at a certain point is no more.

As it happened many times in the past and it is happening now with blueberry inserts.

And what is unfair is new collectors ( as the OP) losing money and being then very far from happy.
 
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Hi Chris75, I’m not sure who you are as you don’t have much/any of a history posting here. Who are you? I have handled a lot of GMT-Masters over the years and believe this watch is unpolished. It was definitely not “recut” and I bought it from the widow of the original owner. There were, or course, differences in case design and the chamfers over the approximately two decades of the production of the reference 1675. There is a lot of confusion about what constitutes an unpolished case and there are certainly varying degrees of wear to these cases. It is often a “grey” proposition of opinion and expertise, not something “black and white”. I hesitate making any sort of final determinations without having the watch in my hands and studying it closely. In my opinion, people that attempt to be armchair experts generally betray their lack of knowledge by attempting to be so certain from imperfect, low-resolution photos from odd angles. You need to hold it in your hands to be more certain, and I have. BTW, you may enjoy my Reference Points on Vintage Rolex Submariners on HODINKEE and we are working on a Reference Points on the GMT-Master to be released in 2020. You may also enjoy my talk to the Horological Society of New York from earlier this year that you can watch on YouTube. Please let me know if I can ever be of assistance to you. I care deeply about this community of vintage-watch collectors and want to continue to see it grow and thrive. The negativity and armchair trolls I so often see hurts the entire community by making people want to do other things. People generally are not attracted by negativity. All the best, Eric Wind WindVintage.com
 
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Hi Chris75, I’m not sure who you are as you don’t have much/any of a history posting here. Who are you? I have handled a lot of GMT-Masters over the years and believe this watch is unpolished. It was definitely not “recut” and I bought it from the widow of the original owner. There were, or course, differences in case design and the chamfers over the approximately two decades of the production of the reference 1675. There is a lot of confusion about what constitutes an unpolished case and there are certainly varying degrees of wear to these cases. It is often a “grey” proposition of opinion and expertise, not something “black and white”. I hesitate making any sort of final determinations without having the watch in my hands and studying it closely. In my opinion, people that attempt to be armchair experts generally betray their lack of knowledge by attempting to be so certain from imperfect, low-resolution photos from odd angles. You need to hold it in your hands to be more certain, and I have. BTW, you may enjoy my Reference Points on Vintage Rolex Submariners on HODINKEE and we are working on a Reference Points on the GMT-Master to be released in 2020. You may also enjoy my talk to the Horological Society of New York from earlier this year that you can watch on YouTube. Please let me know if I can ever be of assistance to you. I care deeply about this community of vintage-watch collectors and want to continue to see it grow and thrive. The negativity and armchair trolls I so often see hurts the entire community by making people want to do other things. People generally are not attracted by negativity. All the best, Eric Wind WindVintage.com

Hi Eric, I am a watch collector, like many others here.

I sure believe that you "care deeply about this community of vintage-watch collectors and want to continue to see it grow and thrive" since you are a watch dealer and sell watches for a living.

And the fact that you advertise yourself through Hodinkee doesn't make yourself more reliable.

But again my post wasn't about your watches or your Hodinkee videos (that have been both questioned by the way), it was specifically about a 1675 that in my opinion was polished.

This was the opinion also of other forum members, and we weren't aware until now that the watch was claimed and sold by you as unpolished.

I merely tried to help with my comment a new collector to learn something about watches.

I really don't want to argue about this again: you sold the watch, you (and your friend Jeffari) believe that the watch is unpolished therefore it is unpolished.

I appreciate the logic.
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I think we are at an impasse, but I will just reiterate what I said previously: “In my opinion, people that attempt to be armchair experts generally betray their lack of knowledge by attempting to be so certain from imperfect, low-resolution photos from odd angles.” The photos are at angles at which they don’t properly show the distance between the lug holes and the edges. Please feel free to write me and I would be happy to try to meet you in person, if you would like, so we can look at some great vintage watches together. All the best, Eric Wind windvintage.com
 
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stay between gentlemen !
these discussions and disagreements are very interesting.

trust the one who had the watch in hand. the photos can indeed be misleading.

but the contradiction that brings an answer is good !
 
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I am really curious to know. Would there be a way to post additional photos of the watch from other angles? Seems pretty important since the dealer is claiming unpolished and quite a bit of money was paid for this piece. OP may not care though but if the watch was advertised as unpolished I would want to know for sure.
 
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Hi Everyone....

@Chris75 , just saw this thread...

your OP ...
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Dial and insert are very nice, but case has been refinished / recut: if you check there is very little distance between lugs and pinholes.
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in my book refinished / recut are two very different things in my opinion.... maybe you wanted to say" polished .. " ?

I think you also mention the possibility of adding back steel ? that is beyond a simple case polishing or refinishing... that going to the order of PFM..... " Pure F-ing Magic " hahahaha..... you get the point... so a possible polish , is possible..... in almost any watch... but adding steel back and to imply is a simple polish or refinish.. is not in the same ballpark.

I think if you expressed that it might have been polished... comment would have been benign.

Full disclosure. , I have met Jeff on more then one occasion in NYC . I have met Eric on more then one occasion. I think I even went out to dinner with them.... once.. ( they did not pick up the check.... we went dutch).

Good Hunting

Bill Sohne
 
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I am really curious to know. Would there be a way to post additional photos of the watch from other angles? Seems pretty important since the dealer is claiming unpolished and quite a bit of money was paid for this piece. OP may not care though but if the watch was advertised as unpolished I would want to know for sure.

I don't think that additional photos will resolve this. We are to the point where people are going to defend their positions no matter what. One side will show certain comparative photos, and the other side will show other photos. There will be a discussion of the variability of Rolex case manufacturing, the effects of wear-and-tear vs. polishing, etc. Mr. Wind has held the watch in his hands, and he is extremely experienced and knowledgable. He has expressed his opinion (which I respect), but clearly it's not something that can be definitively proven one way or the other, especially since the case exhibits wear.

I think it's also worth mentioning that polished/unpolished is not necessarily the only relevant criterion. Isn't wear-and-tear equally important? Why this obsession with polishing? Regardless of polishing, the OP case is sharper than some and less sharp than others (including one on Mr. Wind's website, https://www.windvintage.com/rolex-gmtmaster-1675-mark-2-unpolished). Just use your own eyes and decide for yourself whether you find it appealing ... don't worry so much about labels and opinions.

The bottom line for me is that it's a lovely example ... and the most important parts (the dial, hands, and bezel) are fantastic. The case, unpolished or not, is very good. And if the OP is satisfied with the price he paid, debates about polished vs. unpolished are largely ceremonial.