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Do you think it’s possible to create a new watch brand that could earn a reputation in keeping with omega / rolex or perhaps aim with lower sites like Tag heur? Or has that time past?

Do you think a kick starter project could lead to “omega too”?

Depends on how long you expect it to take. 20 years or more, yes. Two to five years, no.

What are your thoughts about Bell & Ross?
 
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I know even less about Rolex than other watch topics which says it all. I'm assuming that Rolex entered the market when the product standard was the mechanical watch, so their goal was to sell a Rolls Royce version of the product everyone was using. I can easily see how that could be made to work, which it obviously has.
Today the mechanical (collectable) watch is nearly dead to the general community world wide who have zero interest in watch forums, if they wear a watch at all. I admit I was focussed on someone from left field coming in and attempting to deliver a viable competitor to the Kings of the craft. My view is if there is an opening at the level we (I) am thinking, it would need to be extremely innovative. As one with limited needs, my list of practical useful stuff is met in one package by the Tissot T Touch Solar, so I can't envisage anything else I would want from a practical perspective but no emotional attachment.
However, there is always something different around the corner and like cars, you buy for the oddest of reasons.


Not even close. Rolex positioned themselves as a good buy for the money and high quality. They made tool watches and watches that where dust proof and water proof.

they pivoted to a luxury brand in the mid 70’s during the quartz crises.

even today they are not the rolls Royce of watches. More Lexus or Mercedes benz.
 
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Actually you would be surprised. Members may not post photos of these watches very frequently, but if you get to know them personally you will find that many collectors frequently dip their toes into these new brands. Just because they find them interesting and appealing. Your opinion of the membership is quite cynical and I think you may not really have a good sense of OF. There are many mature collectors here who buy what they like and follow their own path. This is not primarily a place to find people who buy flavor of the day watches simply because they want to show them off to others.
Absolutely, I'm half a world away in location from most so not so likely to meet and the interesting and appealing bit is what I would expect in this section. I have made an concentrated effort to read up posts across the board and I don't have enough time left to dent the surface so not so cynical, but there are ample in the other sections of this forum I have visited where it seemed important to get the image out. My own interest is in the vintage section where the mechanical information is king. I don't think my arm is photogenic enough to put on line. I too have a small range of watches and not one of them was chosen with any knowledge or idea of their attraction to others, so while I have the Omegas and Tudor, I also have Nautical Instruments, Junghans, Tissot and Bruno Soehnle. Hopefully I fit just a little into the spectrum of people who are happy to try something based solely on what it means to them.
 
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Kobold

Where is that crook these days. Cheated a friend out of $6,000, and I had several chats with law enforcement in the jurisdiction of the “factory” that basically amounted to: he’s so nutz nobody wants to deal with trying to hold him accountable.
 
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What are your thoughts about Bell & Ross?

About the only brand where the fakes are better than the actual watch 😗
 
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Start a brand, and give it 120-140 years and see what comes up!
 
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Not even close. Rolex positioned themselves as a good buy for the money and high quality. They made tool watches and watches that where dust proof and water proof.

they pivoted to a luxury brand in the mid 70’s during the quartz crises.

even today they are not the rolls Royce of watches. More Lexus or Mercedes benz.
I know even less about Rolex than other watch topics which says it all. I don't own a Rolls Royce either, it wouldn't fit the image 😀
 
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Watch companies are marketing companies more than watch makers nowadays.

So you can build a nice watch but it’s the marketing that sells enough to make it on par with Rolex or Omega.

You could build a watch good enough to make money….Yes
But 50+ people try it a year and crash out.

Here is a company that is slowly forging ahead each year.
https://www.magrette.com/shop/moana-pacific-waterman-2?in=370040261
 
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I know even less about Rolex than other watch topics which says it all. I don't own a Rolls Royce either, it wouldn't fit the image 😀

you use them as an example of how someone did something then say you know nothing about them.


I don’t even know where to start.

 
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The word assuming leads that sentence. The previous sentence makes a statement that I know less about Rolex than almost anything else. Let me tell you where to start. I am a beginner, self admitted who has no detail knowledge of watch companies or any brand other than Omega, about which my knowledge is still very scanty and then only about two models. I do however, have some life skills outside of watches and I have attempted to join discussions in the spirit of the Forum. Clearly I haven't been smart enough to recognise the posting heirachy with your experience and have trodden on some toes. I'll end my comments on this thread here and leave it up to you to end this as you wish.
 
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I think many gave here have given great perspectives already.

I’ll just add my 2 cents, if someone really wants to give a shot at it…

I think there’s a higher chance to resurrect an established brand like Universal Geneve… imagine a modernized Polerouter that kept to it’s original vintage roots.
 
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The word assuming leads that sentence. The previous sentence makes a statement that I know less about Rolex than almost anything else. Let me tell you where to start. I am a beginner, self admitted who has no detail knowledge of watch companies or any brand other than Omega, about which my knowledge is still very scanty and then only about two models. I do however, have some life skills outside of watches and I have attempted to join discussions in the spirit of the Forum. Clearly I haven't been smart enough to recognise the posting heirachy with your experience and have trodden on some toes. I'll end my comments on this thread here and leave it up to you to end this as you wish.
Yet when pointed down the ways to learn how to do it and how some people have made successful brands you ignore or doubt them and do no research at all even when the topic is spoon fed to you.
 
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you use them as an example of how someone did something then say you know nothing about them.


I don’t even know where to start.


redpcar, used rolex as an example, not ArmbandUhr69.
 
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Make a good dive watch that’s got a decent ETA movement in it and have parts available for it for the next 30 years and you should do well.

90% of kickstarters / new brand starters are 6 watches in and don’t have the watchmaker or parts supply to service the first watch they sold 5 years ago.

Making a brand is a long term big investment with heaps of overheads and future planning needed. The biggest problem with watch companies is parts supply to watchmakers. Do this right and you will win a lot of people here over.
 
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Make a good dive watch that’s got a decent ETA movement in it and have parts available for it for the next 30 years and you should do well.

90% of kickstarters / new brand starters are 6 watches in and don’t have the watchmaker or parts supply to service the first watch they sold 5 years ago.

Making a brand is a long term big investment with heaps of overheads and future planning needed. The biggest problem with watch companies is parts supply to watchmakers. Do this right and you will win a lot of people here over.
Steinhart for instance?
Or the already mentioned Magrette, or Dan Henry? (Not the latter’s ethos indicates a move into that sphere).

In the automotive world the Bugatti Veyron has, an example, been an amazing success story since it’s release in 2005. However the brand is rebirthed from one of the most famous of all luxury car marques and is backed by Volkswagen. Probably more difficult to fail with that parentage, but even the mighty Veyron has been discontinued (and it is of course just one model than an entire product range).
A different path is Lotus which took 30 years to move beyond the humble Elite and Elan to produce the F1 supercar and a further 20 to effectively design, manufacture and market a range of luxury high performance road cars. So, half a century of establishing the brand and product for them.

In my field I’ll pick two from several candidates. The Italian piano manufacturer Fazioli has from the outset determined to produce a world class high performance piano. Despite questionable tactics from one noted industry leader (signing artistes to brands, restricting access to venues that exclusively use their piano etc) Fazioli has established themselves as one of the premier brands, especially in Europe where anti-trust laws prevent some of the dubious goings-on of the New York based company. Unquestionably an elite product it has taken them 40 years to reach the position of respect and authority they now possess.
Here in Australia we have a guy called Wayne Stuart who has created an incredible piano and received due recognition but not perhaps the due public acclaim. He is also 30 years into his story, and I don’t know enough of the ins and outs of it to know why he hasn’t pursued a bigger presence overseas (or if he’s tried and been unsuccessful) but his has not been the Fazioli story.

The above suggests that it takes time to build a reputation and it must have solid foundations. I’d suggest on the above limited evidence that it would take the Swatch Company to resurrect an old name, rebuild (market) its heritage to a new audience and then commit to a 35 year plan. Can’t really see that happening tbh

sorry about the length.
 
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Where is that crook these days. Cheated a friend out of $6,000, and I had several chats with law enforcement in the jurisdiction of the “factory” that basically amounted to: he’s so nutz nobody wants to deal with trying to hold him accountable.

I remember reading something about Africa or something like that. Trying to save some species? Started making plastic watches. Definitely went off the deep end. Interestingly, it makes me want his Soarway watch.......as soon as it drops down to $1K for a nice used example. 😉
 
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I remember reading something about Africa or something like that. Trying to save some species? Started making plastic watches. Definitely went off the deep end. Interestingly, it makes me want his Soarway watch.......as soon as it drops down to $1K for a nice used example. 😉

I wish he had gone away, but no such luck: what a scam artist

https://koboldwatch.com/pages/kobold-news
 
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@Dan S

so let’s play a game… who has made it work?

Ming
Dan Henry
Undone
Magrette
Baltic
CH Ward


Shinola doesn’t count as they basically spun out of Fossil.

I’m missing a few…
These are good brands with fun, affordable, interesting products, but largely follow a well managed outsourced supply chain model, with design, final assembly and business operations in house. There are others depending on how you do categorization. But I return to vertical integration and scale again. Barriers are high, market is smaller and fragmented. None of these will scale up to the brands controlled by the holding companies or the Crown. Agree that Shinola is a corporate creation.
 
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@Dan S

so let’s play a game… who has made it work?

Ming
Dan Henry
Undone
Magrette
Baltic
CH Ward


Shinola doesn’t count as they basically spun out of Fossil.

I’m missing a few…

We could add Kurono Tokyo and Unimatic to that list. These two brands have mastered Jean-Claude Biver's salesmanship maxim:

"People want exclusivity, so you must always keep the customer hungry and frustrated."