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New to me. Ebay G.S.P issue UK/UE post Brexit.

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Could it be a tritium/radiation issue? I thought only radium on watches was causing problems but I don't really keep up with these things.

That's a thought. It could be. Though ebay's response to the OP suggests the situation at ports is/was the reason for the 'undelivery'. It's an interesting thought because my penknife was confiscated by GSP for being a 'prohibited item'. It was a 2 inch penkife FFS. But maybe GSP is very 'sensitive' about what can/can't be shipped internationally, and seemingly harmless items get caught in it and designated Prohibited (including radium dials?).
 
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That's a thought. It could be. Though ebay's response to the OP suggests the situation at ports is/was the reason for the 'undelivery'. It's an interesting thought because my penknife was confiscated by GSP for being a 'prohibited item'. It was a 2 inch penkife FFS. But maybe GSP is very 'sensitive' about what can/can't be shipped internationally, and seemingly harmless items get caught in it and designated Prohibited (including radium dials?).

A man with your reputation will be on a list Neil
 
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A man with your reputation will be on a list Neil

He didn't mention the knuckle dusters, nun chuks and nerve gas he's also had blocked.
 
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You have as much information as me.

'Pitney Bowes confirm they could not ship the item forward due to carrier limitations during the Christmas / New Year Interim period. This was due to Brexit and transport changes being put into place by the carriers during this short period'.

I wasn't able to reply to their response.

And curiously not a word of mention of restricted working arrangements due to covid-19 precautions?
 
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A man with your reputation will be on a list Neil
You've got me bang to rights, Officer. I have crapped on your Manor by even thinking about buying a Franck Muller. Slap on the 'cuffs.
 
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He didn't mention the knuckle dusters, nun chuks and nerve gas he's also had blocked.

and numerous offences for hats with excessive brim measurements.
 
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What a nightmare, thanks for the heads up - I've got a couple of eBay purchases on the other side of the new channel wall where the seller as agreed to wait until this gets sorted out before sending. Fedex and DHL is Europe, as well as the Post Office here, are not accepting parcels where the customs status is not clear. What a sxxtshow. Thanks Boris.
 
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Be very interesting to see where that watch ends up being sold....sounds like Ebay are going to have a lot of stock to dispose of in next few months. Anyone know their possible outlets? Auction or....
 
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It would appear to be Pitney Bowes that are responsible for disposing of the confiscated, sorry, restricted from export, items, not eBay. It would be very interesting to try and spot where some of the items crop up and what they sell for....
 
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What strap did you send it with? Perhaps endangered species would get blocked.

Being a Milwatch I'm guessing it was sent on a Nato fabric strap.

eBay GSP must have thousands of items in the system. Stopping all of them and reselling would be a huge burden. I'm thinking something specific with yours that didn't tick all the boxes.
 
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What strap did you send it with? Perhaps endangered species would get blocked.

Being a Milwatch I'm guessing it was sent on a Nato fabric strap.

eBay GSP must have thousands of items in the system. Stopping all of them and reselling would be a huge burden. I'm thinking something specific with yours that didn't tick all the boxes.

Sold on a standard Nylon NATO. The watch is no different to dozens of others i've bought/sold on Ebay. The only indication from Ebay was that the problem was linked to Brexit/transport issues.
 
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Also, if it would have been ‘restricted’ because of a specific issue with the watch, they would have sent the watch back to you, and definitely wouldn’t have refunded the watch.
+1 on finding out where these watches pop up.
I’m sure they don’t have legal ownership of the watch, so how can they then offer it for sale in good faith?
 
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Sold on a standard Nylon NATO. The watch is no different to dozens of others i've bought/sold on Ebay. The only indication from Ebay was that the problem was linked to Brexit/transport issues.
So many companies are using 'Brexit' as an excuse for poor service. It lets them off the hook for compensation claims relating to slow delivery or lost items. I had this problem recently [lots of emails to and from the carrier as well as phone calls], they finally admitted my item was probably 'stolen in transit' they said.
 
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Also, if it would have been ‘restricted’ because of a specific issue with the watch, they would have sent the watch back to you, and definitely wouldn’t have refunded the watch.
+1 on finding out where these watches pop up.
I’m sure they don’t have legal ownership of the watch, so how can they then offer it for sale in good faith?

As they have paid for the item they do have legal ownership of it. It's up to them what they do with it now.

Once an item arrives at the GSP centre they are essentially liable for that item. There are obviously clauses in the contract you enter into that covers such a situation as this, and this is the outcome.

It has never happened before in the 2-3 years I have chosen to use the service. I got my money back so in that respect it's no real issue. The buyer in no way put the blame on me, and was also refunded. He was upset though as he now doesn't get a watch he wanted, which is the downside to it.

I have no idea how they will try and recover their expense, but I assume it will be auctioned off in a job lot, likely at a bricks and mortar house somewhere, with any other items that suffered a similar fate.
 
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With these little things we collect it isn’t about the money.
So the buyer is understandably nift about not receiving something he bought, regardless of being refunded.
There might well be clauses in some contract, but that would only work if they can show to the buyer that it would be impossible to deliver and to send it back, which I seriously doubt they can.

You don’t acquire legal ownership by paying a/the price but by consent of the previous owner.

Edit: apparently this isn't a new thing and the goods might get relisted in the near future, using your own pictures, description and pricing:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Ebay/comments/1t8pf5/ebay_users_i_just_uncovered_a_huge_scam_theft_ring/
https://www.ecommercebytes.com/C/blog/blog.pl?/pl/2014/2/1392120162.html
Edited:
 
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Global Shipping Programme terms and conditions here:

The delivery address that you specify must be within an eligible country and must be a valid and complete delivery address. The delivery address that you specify may not be a Post Office (P.O. Box), Army Post Office, or Fleet Post Office. eBay and Pitney Bowes shall have no liability and shall have, in their discretion and in any manner that they prefer, the right to dispose of or liquidate GSP Items that eBay or Pitney Bowes conclude are undeliverable, for whatever reason. If eBay or Pitney Bowes conclude that a GSP Item is undeliverable and elect to dispose of or liquidate a GSP Item, title to the GSP Item shall transfer automatically from your Seller to eBay and/or any third party designated by either eBay or Pitney Bowes (as eBay and Pitney Bowes may elect), at no cost and for no consideration to either eBay or Pitney Bowes and/or to any third party designated by eBay or Pitney Bowes, and eBay and Pitney Bowes and/or any third party designated by eBay or Pitney Bowes shall retain all proceeds (if any) received from the disposal or liquidation of the GSP Item. eBay or Pitney Bowes may also elect to return to your Seller any GSP Items that eBay or Pitney Bowes conclude are undeliverable. eBay shall not be responsible under either the eBay Money Back Guarantee or PayPal Purchase Protection policies if eBay concludes that a GSP Item is not deliverable to your designated delivery address or to the collection center near you that is designated by the shipping carrier, for any reason, including because the delivery address that you provide is incorrect, incomplete, or inaccessible. In addition, certain third party shipping carriers may require that the designated recipient of a GSP Item be present to receive delivery; where in-person delivery is required, you shall be solely responsible for ensuring that the designated recipient is available to receive delivery.

I imagine it will pop up on ebay via a PB reseller. You can always point your original buyer to it, if you can find it.
 
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"...undeliverable, for whatever reason..." Oh my goodness, that really is a charter for customer disgruntlement (if that's a word), for sure I will never be troubling the service.
 
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It would appear to be Pitney Bowes that are responsible for disposing of the confiscated, sorry, restricted from export, items, not eBay. It would be very interesting to try and spot where some of the items crop up and what they sell for....

It would surely be ironic if this sort of stuff was not sold on ebay?

That Pitney Bownes felt there was a better way to dispose of things than ebay?

Surely not
 
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I have been waiting for a delivery from UPS for a very rare Omega with Pontife hands. It was due to arrive on the 23rd December from Italy (to UK) and never arrived.

Almost 2 weeks later no update to tracking apparently it arrived in UK on the 24th and since then nothing.

Countless phone calls to UPS have led to no solutions. I hope that this isn’t another “lost” or “undeliverable” item situation. It’s quite concerning 🙁
 
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It would surely be ironic if this sort of stuff was not sold on ebay?

That Pitney Bownes felt there was a better way to dispose of things than ebay?

Surely not

I wonder who they use for shipping.
 
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