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New Omega Speedmaster Release?!

Eve
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W WTFfrenchie
Lets say employees that make FOIS make 2000€/month
You need 50 of them to make 20000 watch/yr


On the other hand 50 people that make 321 make 3500€/month
They make 1000 321/yr

you will understand why the 321 cost more

If i follow your math...
There are about 260 working days a year. so if each of the 50 watchmakers would work full time, and they collectively assemble 1000 pieces a year, that would mean that it takes 13 working days to assemble 1 modern 321 Speedmaster 😁
comon this is just marketing bs.
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W
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1st idk how much their employees makes but believe me, 50 persons on 321 dont make as much watches as « regular » employees on the rest of the production.

I HAVE SEEN IT at the factory!
 
padders
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W WTFfrenchie
1st idk how much their employees makes but believe me, 50 persons on 321 dont make as much watches as « regular » employees on the rest of the production.

I HAVE SEEN IT at the factory!
Shouting doesn't make your pipe dream nonsense real mate...
 
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M matlt
It’s known that the 321 was scrapped because it was more expensive and difficult to produce.

It was more expensive and difficult to produce during a time of particular crisis for watch manufacturers, and anyone who wanted to stay in business thought the trend was going to be 100% quartz so any mechanical movements had to be kept to a lower cost. Nowadays, the new 321 is absolutely par for the course except for the fact that Omega has decided against mass-production not for any reason other than to increase perception of exclusivity by having their 'master watchmakers' build them.
 
MauricioNO
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Lol I can’t believe that people actually believe that a company in the luxury business, part of a publicly traded group, with the highest of highest of margins, would ever consider they would be producing a product and selling it at a loss or breakeven (which is the same to say as not profitable)
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W
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I have no clue whats more profitable for omega but i bet that on each and any watch they make, they make a huge profit and im absolutely fine with that as long as the quality is there
 
Evitzee
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Veblen goods aren't priced to what it costs to make them, the are priced to what the customers are willing to pay. There are far more people willing to pay $14,100 for a NEW321 than what Omega is willing to produce. It is fruitless to compare an 1861, 3861 or the 321 based on theoretical, or actual, production costs.
 
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Evitzee Evitzee
Veblen goods aren't priced to what it costs to make them, the are priced to what the customers are willing to pay. There are far more people willing to pay $14,100 for a NEW321 than what Omega is willing to produce. It is fruitless to compare an 1861, 3861 or the 321 based on theoretical, or actual, production costs.
There’s no question that per watch, profits will be proportionally higher on something like the ed white vs a standard speedmaster. But profit for single items is meaningless. Omega is primarily going to concentrate on producing and selling the watches that people buy in large volumes. The higher the volume, the more profit you create based on your initial and continuing investment. If Omega saw a worthwhile profit opportunity in mass producing a 321 movement, they aren't going to ignore it.
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padders
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M matlt
There’s no question that per watch, profits will be proportionally higher on something like the ed white vs a standard speedmaster. But profit for single items is meaningless. Omega is primarily going to concentrate on producing and selling the watches that people buy in large volumes. The higher the volume, the more profit you create based on your initial and continuing investment. If Omega saw a worthwhile profit opportunity in mass producing a 321 movement, they aren't going to ignore it.
A minute ago you said they were losing money on each watch. Which is it?

In fact you wagered that they are losing money. I don’t recall the stake but it seems you have conceded already. Pay up!
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M matlt
If Omega saw a worthwhile profit opportunity in mass producing a 321 movement, they aren't going to ignore it.
That would also be a bit counter-productive. Part of the attraction of the 321 is that it ISN’T mass produced. Moving to that model would cheapen the movement - and by extension the brand. Having these aspirational pieces in the collection helps to elevate the whole collection, the brand, and create desire.
 
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7enderbender 7enderbender
I’d rather see a traditional Speedmaster case with 321, closed back and hesalite…
That would be for the masochist crowd, enjoying something that can be painful or tedious. I doubt many customers would pay $14,100 for a closed back model with a plastic crystal and aluminum bezel insert, that's a little too retro for the market. People want to see a pristine 321 movement when they look at the back. The sapphire crystal on the Ed White is pretty much free of the milky ring and the ceramic tachy scale looks good, too. Omega got things pretty much right with this model.....case, bracelet, dial, movement, it's very coherent.
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abrod520 abrod520
It was more expensive and difficult to produce during a time of particular crisis for watch manufacturers, and anyone who wanted to stay in business thought the trend was going to be 100% quartz so any mechanical movements had to be kept to a lower cost. Nowadays, the new 321 is absolutely par for the course except for the fact that Omega has decided against mass-production not for any reason other than to increase perception of exclusivity by having their 'master watchmakers' build them.

Are there any public numbers about this from back in the days? And I’m not talking about the modern recreation that is handmade and paid a lot of detailed attention to.
They swapped a few parts when going from the the 321 to the 861, probably pennies in difference. I suspect it was just an attempt to modernize and make a few things more reliable? I think it compares more to the most recent “upgrades” when going to the 3861. The 321, 861/1861 are essentially the same other than the column wheel and a Delrin part. Correct me if I’m wrong.
 
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abrod520 abrod520
It was more expensive and difficult to produce during a time of particular crisis for watch manufacturers, and anyone who wanted to stay in business thought the trend was going to be 100% quartz so any mechanical movements had to be kept to a lower cost. Nowadays, the new 321 is absolutely par for the course except for the fact that Omega has decided against mass-production not for any reason other than to increase perception of exclusivity by having their 'master watchmakers' build them.

are there any public numbers about this from back in the days? And I’m not talking about the modern recreation that is handmade and paid a lot of detailed attention to.
They swapped a few parts when going from the the 321 to the 861, probably pennies in difference. I suspect it was just an attempt to modernize and make a few things more reliable? I think it compares more to the most recent “upgrades” when going to the 3861. The 321, 861
Evitzee Evitzee
That would be for the masochist crowd, enjoying something that can be painful or tedious. I doubt many customers would pay $14,100 for a closed back model with a plastic crystal and aluminum bezel insert, that's a little too retro for the market. People want to see a pristine 321 movement when they look at the back. The sapphire crystal on the Ed White is pretty much free of the milky ring and the ceramic tachy scale looks good, too. Omega got things pretty much right with this model.....case, bracelet, dial, movement, it's very coherent.

Market would tell. I bet there are enough people who’s pay for a close recreation of the actual “moon watches” with a 321 movement. I personally passed on the EW because I didn’t like what they did even though I was excited about the movement. Didn’t like the smaller size (already have a Reduced that I love) and the crystal and ceramic. I don’t like modern Rolex either and I know I’m not alone.
 
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SpeedyPhill SpeedyPhill
sooner or later they'll chunk out another LE
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Well they have said they don't do that anymore so maybe not.
 
Evitzee
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padders padders
Well they have said they don't do that anymore so maybe not.
It will be an NE from here on out........i.e., a Numbered Edition of an open ended, unspecified production run. And then we have models like the latest Snoopy and Ed White 321 that are ultimately limited but carry no special number.
 
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Evitzee Evitzee
It will be an NE from here on out........i.e., a Numbered Edition of an open ended, unspecified production run.

But I wonder how they will do that with the Speedy Tuesday 3 later this year. Or maybe they will just make an exception.
 
Evitzee
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Patrick-Sea Patrick-Sea
But I wonder how they will do that with the Speedy Tuesday 3 later this year. Or maybe they will just make an exception.
Most likely it will be like the latest Snoopy, an unnumbered watch of an unknown edition size.
 
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Not new but it's something that feels new

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