not not this guy this guy very interesting at <$500 for swiss and nice proportions thin as well rose gold pvd or steel https://www.kickstarter.com/project...o-a-traditional-swiss-movement-watch-from-299
i like it, but the hands bother me. trying to overlook it, but it seems like they missed there. still 450 with swiss and the right size, there's gonna be some trade offs for people