Neil Armstrong's Speedmaster Now on Public Display - UPDATE - Watch Image Added

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Here is something I ran across today while looking back at the history of Armstrong's watch.
It is well documented that Armstrong left his watch in the LEM during the EVA as a back-up to the mission timer if needed. He discusses this in his oral history. Today I was looking for transcripts between Armstrong and Aldrin to see if I could find the conversation between the two discussing the watch and ran across this brief conversation between Armstrong and Aldrin prior to the landing.Question - Was Armstrong even wearing his watch during the landing? Maybe not.
Here is the transcript between Armstrong and Aldrin 56 minutes prior to the landing and it appears Armstrong's watch was in his pocket.

@TLIGuy Long post warning sorry. You make a good point here and it is something I looked into a while back. I am sure people will know some (maybe all) of this but this is my take on it. It would not surprise me if Neil was not wearing the watch for a few reasons. I would also say the fact there are references to the Speedmasters in the voice transcripts for Apollo 11 (I am sure they are talking about the watches) shows how critical measuring time was. Lets not forget on landing they only had 45 seconds of fuel left including 20 seconds for an abort burn. It is no surprise that they needed backup with such basic electronics/computers which were also cumbersome to use. They also had some coms issues early on so Mission control (who as mentioned before were using a Heuer mechanical stop watch) could not be relied on totally for timing information. Jumping forward it is well documented Neil left his watch in the LEM as the digital mission timer had been faulty. I have often wondered where and how it was left. That question links with my initial points above. The LEM environment was incredibly crowded and hectic with data coming in fast and fuel running down even faster. They also had spurious alarms to reset. There were multiple controls and switches to worry about plus the landing point designator scribe marks on the commander’s window to eyeball. You also need to get a visual on the terrain and refer to various maps and checklists. All this while wearing a pressure suit and linked to an umbilical cord.
There is also the small point of transferring from zero to 1/6th Earth gravity in a standing flight position. They had a lot of duct tape and Velcro to play with. Looking at pictures from all missions a lot of information was stuck on the walls. I think maybe the watch ended up stuck to the LEM chassis– perhaps near the mission timer? I would of stuck it on the left hand side under or on the window (looking forward). If you are using your hands for so many flying tasks in short order, it would make sense to have the watch in line of sight. They managed to break the return engine arming switch by bumping into it so I don’t think a loose watch would have lasted very long in that cramped space, especially considering the egress/ingress protocol for the EVA + rock samples. As co-pilot Buzz had more time to refer to instruments and was not hands on flying so easier for him to just wear his watch maybe? I think it helps to really try and think about the physical and mental situation they were in.
 
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Sunglasses look like “Randolph Engineering” milspec..

Randolph Engineering though only started in 1973, and the mil-spec came in 1978.
 
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This thread is awesome, I am learning a lot of things about the Apollo missions I did not know!!
 
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I looked into this before (for a different project) and there is another timer device (like a kitchen egg timer but 2-speed). I did not find it from the kit list but it is on there if you know about it = Page 4 SEB 331001104-201 2 speed interval timer (6min or 60min) + alarm. It shows how important measuring time was and that compared to today they were using rudimentary equipment.

I should have been very specific. When I was referencing "no other timing devices" I meant in addition to the 2 watches and the LM hardware timers during the decent to the surface.

@Omegafanman you are correct in pointing out there was indeed an interval timer as well, but according to the stowage list it remained in Columbia and is never moved into the LM. The list shows what was launched, what was moved between the CM and LM, and what was returned as noted on the top of each page.

Here are the two pages referencing the interval timer and where it is.

Stowed at launch in the CM-



Stowed for re-entry in the CM -



Never between the two is there any indication that the timer is authorized to be move into the LM or moves between the CM and the LM. That is why the only thing I can infer is that Aldrin is talking about Armstrong's watch with "stopwatch" being used interchangeably and not referring to the timer you reference.

Your later take on why it is possible Armstrong might not have had a watch on is interesting but maybe a bit overthought. I can't say for sure Armstrong was not wearing the watch during the descent but that it might be possible after reading the transcript. For all we know, after Aldrin asks about the watch Armstrong could have reached into his pocket and put it back on without saying anything about it.

Armstrong was either wearing it or he wasn't. If it was the latter, I think it would be pretty funny that during this historic event the Speedmaster could have been wadded up in a ball in Armstrong's pocket.
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I have a pair of Ray Bans that look almost identical to those glasses....
A few weeks ago I bought some RAF Mk VIIIs and a pair of American Optical Pilots (c. 1943) ... I've been wearing those AOs most days since. More than that, after buying these, I started reading into the company's history.
Sunglasses look like “Randolph Engineering” milspec..
Yup ... because the Randolph Engineering glasses are a copy of the AO ones. Randolph worked for American Optical and left to design a "better" pair of sunglasses ... they just looked remarkably like the ones AO made.
It is amazing the kind of details you can find in the NASM online collection.

Collins' Apollo 11 Sunglasses

ENHANCE!
I have a pair of Ray Bans that look almost identical to those glasses....
Yup ... Ray Ban copied AO too.

AO bought the rights to Crookes glasses which gave UV protection; by the mid 30's they were making prescription polarised UV protecting sunglasses. Most every film star from the mid-20s onwards wore AO. Their "Flight Goggle 1958" was the pair of sunnies everyone reached for from the moment they were introduced (and are the Randolphs you still get today). Kennedy's Wayfarers? Nope, not Ray Ban but AOs. There's a brief history here: https://www.heddels.com/2018/01/american-optical-history-philosophy-and-iconic-products-2/

Those AO "Generals" deserve to be in a case next to Neil Armstrong's Speedmaster.
 
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Armstrong was either wearing it or he wasn't. If it was the latter, I think it would be pretty funny that during this historic event the Speedmaster could have been wadded up in a ball in Armstrong's pocket.

Wrist? Pocket? Hanging from the wall in the lander?

The damned watch was on the moon!

I wanna touch it...
 
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I should have been very specific. When I was referencing "no other timing devices" I meant in addition to the 2 watches and the LM hardware timers during the decent to the surface.
@Omegafanman you are correct in pointing out there was indeed an interval timer as well, but according to the stowage list it remained in Columbia and is never moved into the LM. The list shows what was launched, what was moved between the CM and LM, and what was returned as noted on the top of each page.
Here are the two pages referencing the interval timer and where it is.
Stowed at launch in the CM-

Stowed for re-entry in the CM -

Never between the two is there any indication that the timer is authorized to be move into the LM or moves between the CM and the LM. That is why the only thing I can infer is that Aldrin is talking about Armstrong's watch with "stopwatch" being used interchangeably and not referring to the timer you reference.
Your later take on why it is possible Armstrong might not have had a watch on is interesting but maybe a bit overthought. I can't say for sure Armstrong was not wearing the watch during the descent but that it might be possible after reading the transcript. For all we know, after Aldrin asks about the watch Armstrong could have reached into his pocket and put it back on without saying anything about it.Armstrong was either wearing it or he wasn't. If it was the latter, I think it would be pretty funny that during this historic event the Speedmaster could have been wadded up in a ball in Armstrong's pocket.

Thanks for the clarification. I agree the interval timer stayed in the Columbia. I mentioned it as I think it is another illustration that mechanical time measurement was very important back then. In terms of the Armstrong watch I think it is useful to consider the environment and mission needs. It is possible it stayed 'safe' in his pocket while they relied on Buzz Aldrins watch but equally interesting that it was left inside the LEM for the EVA as a mission timer backup. Clearly they were very conscious of time throughout and that comes through loud and clear during the landing transcript with the count downs / only seconds of fuel left. Looking at the LEM layout and the EVA egress/ingress process it would not surprise me if Armstrongs watch was taped on the control panel somewhere for that part of the mission. I guess only Buzz know the answer.
 
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it could never be any other stopwatch as we normally thought so, other than a nasa tested stopwatch (neil's 321). lest, that so called other "stopwatch" will blow out on the surface of the moon (or inside neil's pocket).
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it could never any other stopwatch as we normally think so, other than a nasa tested stopwatch (neil's 321) in the pocker. lest, that other "stopwatch" will blow out on the surface of the moon (or in the neil's pocket).

I think the NASA tests were important for many reasons in terms of 'best in class' official selection but other watches have been used in space and on the moon. Also when they make an EVA the command module has to be depressurised so any items (including personal watches) suffer a vacuum. It is speedy all the way for me (and NASA 😀 but that does not mean a Rolex GMT or a Pougue cant do the job. Lastly the event timer was a sprung mechanical timer so nothing to blow as such. It was very basic. In many respects dive watches have to deal with a worse environment / bigger differential pressure.
 
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I wonder if these are some of the last pictures from Apollo 11 showing the watches on the 'active' mission. Also one of the last shots at all of Buzz Aldrins watch. These were taken during the 21 day quarantine (photo credits NASA as usual :0)
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Post-NASA astronaut/professor Neil Armstrong enjoyed his November 1969 Gold Apollo tribute Speedmaster... Paris 1979
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Post-NASA astronaut/professor Neil Armstrong enjoyed his November 1969 Gold Apollo tribute Speedmaster... Paris 1979.

Nice post and a great watch..... also showing the city of fashion and design that he looked his best … in a space suit (fashion police incident here I think :0)
 
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Great thread, thanks for sharing. The Smithsonian is a few miles from where I live, now I have another reason to revisit.