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Shabbaz
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People,

I need help with a constellation calendar 2943 cal 504. Tomorrow I will post pictures of the watch in daylight.

I have several problems with the watch.

1. The dial does not seem to pass the MOY test.
2. The text is off. Automatic is to big.
3. The movement does not mention cal 504 and it says 19 jewels while the cal 504 is a 24 jewel.
4. The hands dont look original.

Did the cal 504 had a 19 jewel movement?

Seller is saying that his father bought the watch in 1959 in Singapore and as far he knows nothing was replaced or repainted.

Thanks for your time and expertise! I enjoy reading the threads!
 
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Dial text does look pretty questionable, but better photos tomorrow will help.

Do you see a movement number? I see the Omega logo in the movement pics, but none seem to show the movement number. The chronos usually have an "adjusted to x positions", at least on later ones; I need to dig out AJTT to check this (which I cannot do for a couple of hours).

Looks like the rotor has rubbed quite a bit on the caseback.
 
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Dial text does look pretty questionable, but better photos tomorrow will help.

Do you see a movement number? I see the Omega logo in the movement pics, but none seem to show the movement number. The chronos usually have an "adjusted to x positions", at least on later ones; I need to dig out AJTT to check this (which I cannot do for a couple of hours).

Looks like the rotor has rubbed quite a bit on the caseback.
That's the problem. There is no movement number so something was changed during service. But it looks like a cal 504.
 
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Shabbaz
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Well. I'm going to sleep now. Hope that I dont wake up with a nightmare. See you tomorrow with pictures of the dial in daylight...
 
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It looks like a 470-490-500 series movement, which do not always have the caliber number written in the movement - I do not know why. Yours looks like a 503 (non chronometer, 19 jewels, calendar). Unless the rotor has been changed from a chronometer to a non chronometer one, this movement is not a chronometer and thus does not originally belong to a Constellation. Be careful because there are many Frankens using 50X regular movements to make up connies.

As usual, Mondodec's blog is a (very) good lecture:
http://users.tpg.com.au/mondodec/movement2.pdf
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Calibre 503 would have that number engraved on the auto bridge.

This was supposedly a one owner watch, so the movement just had the auto wind bridge changed out to a generic replacement bridge for the 50x series along with the rotor.

Dial is definitely refinished. Hands are not fully clear but appear incorrect for the hour and minute.
 
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Calibre 503 would have that number engraved on the auto bridge.

This was supposedly a one owner watch, so the movement just had the auto wind bridge changed out to a generic replacement bridge for the 50x series along with the rotor.

Dial is definitely refinished. Hands are not fully clear but appear incorrect for the hour and minute.
The story of the watch is a follow.

I bought the connie from a man in London who sold the watch to me on behalf of his father who is still alive. Together with the watch is it's original box and a service receipt of a jeweler in Wimbledon UK. The watch was serviced over there for £ 245 in August 2017. The father bought the watch in 1959 from a long established Omega jeweller, BP De Silva in Singapore. He claims that the dial never was replaced or repainted during his period. But he gave the connie to one of his sons in the 90's and during that time the watch was serviced. The son died sadly so we dont know exactly what was changed but as far as the father knows only the bracelet was changed and the movement had a service. The seller looks genuine but the watch not...

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The O in “official” looks too round from the eBay listing.
 
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Shabbaz Shabbaz
The story of the watch is a follow.

I bought the connie from a man in London who sold the watch to me on behalf of his father who is still alive. Together with the watch is it's original box and a service receipt of a jeweler in Wimbledon UK. The watch was serviced over there for £ 245 in August 2017. The father bought the watch in 1959 from a long established Omega jeweller, BP De Silva in Singapore. He claims that the dial never was replaced or repainted during his period. But he gave the connie to one of his sons in the 90's and during that time the watch was serviced. The son died sadly so we dont know exactly what was changed but as far as the father knows only the bracelet was changed and the movement had a service. The seller looks genuine but the watch not...

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Here comes the pain!
 
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Omega will never put an index over the text SWISS MADE so its a redone imho
 
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Hi, I nearly bought this one three weeks ago but got suspicious.
Seller made an honest impression but was "not able" to post better pictures for obscure reasons when I contacted him. No movement pictures at all in the listing.
I spent some time looking at the dial and comparing it and came to the conlusion
that it is definetly a redial. "Calendar" is far to large, A of Automatic isn't boxed at all,
fails MOY, "M" in Automatic is wrong ....
Redial IMO, sorry Shabbaz
I hope the seller is an honest man but I'm not shure about that :-(

Compare this one from OF

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Shabbaz
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Hi, I nearly bought this one three weeks ago but got suspicious.
Seller made an honest impression but was "not able" to post better pictures for obscure reasons when I contacted him. No movement pictures at all in the listing.
I spent some time looking at the dial and comparing it and came to the conlusion
that it is definetly a redial. "Calendar" is far to large, A of Automatic isn't boxed at all,
fails MOY, "M" in Automatic is wrong ....
Redial IMO, sorry Shabbaz
I hope the seller is an honest man but I'm not shure about that :-(

Compare this one from OF

431936-687a1af759d10a11851d281e7888fde8.jpg
That's interesting. Smart move by the way. I should have done the same (unless somebody has some good arguments why this 2943 is good). This is the second time I got crashed and burned...

Well... A lot of dials in the Asian part of the world had problems with moisture, etc., because of the climate. So redial in that perspective is not strange. But the father claims that under him the dial was not replaced. Hmmmm.
 
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