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Need help with 145.012 Lume

teojjsg
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Dear friends,

I notice some shine around the lume of my Speedmaster 145.012.

Is this a sign of relume pls? Or does the original lume have such characteristics?

Much appreciated in advance for any advice given. Thank you.
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big case
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original lume on 145.012 can show many, many different expressions

pictures are near by, but not good enough/ not sharp

how is the texture? more rough ore more smooth

smooth should it not be
 
teojjsg
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Thank you for the reply.

The lume itself is a bit rough. I am more concerned about the perimeter of the lume, on the dial itself. The surface of this area looks shiny. Like lacquer applied around some parts of the lume.
 
SOG53
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The lume is applied to white strips and you can often see the edges at top and bottom and on sides. Lume can look a little wonky at high magnification.
Yours looks ok to me
Here’s example to show white edges
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teojjsg
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I understand this buddy.

What i meant is just outside of the white painted hour markers, on the black dial itself, i see some shine. Like there is overspill of clear lacquer onto the dial.

It is very hard to capture but i will try again tomorrow.
 
fiberguy
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Really hard to tell from your photo's, its possible someone tried to stabilize the lume using lacquer.
 
Davidt
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Perhaps they’ve had lacquer applied to stabilise, or sometimes the dial surface can get shiny/oily looking stains for natural ageing, or response to a relume.
You’re going to have to provide better photos for any more certainty.
 
teojjsg
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Ok. I will take some more photos. Thank you to all who responded.
 
Aludic
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Based on these pictures, I would lean towards original. It looks very similar to one of my 145.012's. Last check you could of course do is UV exposure, which I guess you've already tried?
 
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I would agree that it is most likely an attempt to stabilize the original lume. I passed on a beautiful '62 Speedmaster because whenever I looked at it, all I saw was the stabilizing agent leaking around the plots.
 
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Aludic Aludic
Based on these pictures, I would lean towards original. It looks very similar to one of my 145.012's. Last check you could of course do is UV exposure, which I guess you've already tried?
Yes buddy. UV reacted as they should. Thank you for the feedback.
 
teojjsg
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amphib44 amphib44
I would agree that it is most likely an attempt to stabilize the original lume. I passed on a beautiful '62 Speedmaster because whenever I looked at it, all I saw was the stabilizing agent leaking around the plot.
Will stablising the lume cost a lost of value? Is it as bad as a relume?
 
big case
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if it is visible, i think a lot of potentiel buyers (and they make abig part of the value) will pass on this one
 
teojjsg
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Problem now is I cannot even confirm if it's a relume or lacquer was added to stabilize the lume.

Will be tough to even suggest returning it. Sad...

But i supposed it is what it is...
 
big case
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i am not sure, that there is something stabilized

i can not judge from the pictures

at least for me is the question:

what is this? and is it something, that is not result from aging or a kind of reaction?
(red markings)

generelly i think, that a kind of stabilising the lume from index-lume on indices like
this is rather unusual and rather not necessary, because it would be rather a kind
of lume lost

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Davidt
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I'm kind of swaying towards original but with slight deterioration.

In cases like this where it's such a close call between is it original, is it a relume or has it been stabilised, I think it gets to the stage where it's irrelevant. It's the overall aesthetic impact that matters and that's what impacts the value.
 
big case
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that's the point

but also: it is a very strong magnifikation (and sometimes bad digital camera or smartphone is
suboptimal)

if we check our own watches in a way like this (same magnification) we - perhabs - also think about, what we see

it would be good, if a really experienced person could check by own eyes by loupe
 
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big case big case
i am not sure, that there is something stabilized

i can not judge from the pictures

at least for me is the question:

what is this? and is it something, that is not result from aging or a kind of reaction?
(red markings)

generelly i think, that a kind of stabilising the lume from index-lume on indices like
this is rather unusual and rather not necessary, because it would be rather a kind
of lume lost

1905198-8039cd2ac1ed4458bf090a18b02228fd.webp Screenshot_20250314_144502_Gallery.webp
Yes. These were what i was concerned about initially...
 
teojjsg
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Davidt Davidt
I'm kind of swaying towards original but with slight deterioration.

In cases like this where it's such a close call between is it original, is it a relume or has it been stabilised, I think it gets to the stage where it's irrelevant. It's the overall aesthetic impact that matters and that's what impacts the value.
Wow, i just came to the same conclusion before reading the replies! 😀

Going to wear the hell out of this watch. 🙏
 
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