Need Help! Wife Shopping for Vintage Omega for Spouse

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Hi everyone,

I posted this on Reddit, but a kind person suggested you guys would be better suited to help me. I am trying to buy my partner a wedding present. They are non-binary. Female-bodied but have a more masculine presentation. Please don't be a jerk. It's Pride Month. I just mention this fact because they are not going to like a watch that might look a little feminine, and I know a lot of vintage Omegas are unisex. Also, I understand that these questions reflect a lack of true knowledge of Omega's history, and my budget is really limited. Honestly, I am underwater with grad school finals, and I recently experienced a significant loss in my family, so if I could rely on your expertise for quick info, this would be a great gift to me. You would get so much good karma!

I know they like the look of vintage Omega watches, but I am having trouble figuring out which watch might be best, given a limited budget. My partner is NOT a fancy-watch collector, and they are not going to be judgmental or critical of my purchase over small details/non-original elements, etc. Not worried about resale value. For 40 years, they have worn a plastic black Casio watch.

My top-end budget is around $2k, but I would really prefer to spend $1.5k or less. Also, my best friend lives in Japan, and I know he could buy something for me on a Japanese auction site and bring it to me when he visits in July. I have used Buyee/From Japan/JPAuctions and found some items a few hundred dollars cheaper.

Getting them the "nicer version" of the watch within my limited budget is about me loving them. They will only care that it says "Omega" and looks nice (parameters below).

Larger case. At least 35mm or 36mm +, rare for vintage watches, I know
Gold case, but gold-plated is fine, and open to pale gold, silver, or white face.
Must have a date and a second hand.
Darker leather strap and wants to be able to change the strap. Aftermarket fine.
Based on one limited stop at a vintage store in Thailand, I * think * they like the look of Automatic De Villes, Seamaster De Ville, and a Constellation. I definitely know that a De Ville was the one they liked best at that store.
Doesn't like "fussy" designs with sparkly diamonds or tons of detail. Prefers classic looks.

Here are my questions:

What kind of watch am I looking for in your opinion? Are there specific lines that better fit my parameters? Specific decades?


Should I definitely use my expat friend in Japan to help me get one of these, because I will end up getting a better deal no matter what? If so, any advice? Friend said that as long as I find the item and tell him what to do, he will buy it and bring it home to me in July, but he does not want to have to shop for it himself or go physically shop for me (understandable)

If 3 watches were in near mint condition with aftermarket straps and none were solid gold (not in the budget), the Automatic De Ville, the Seamaster De Ville, and the Constellation, what is the general order of value there? Constellation > Seamaster De Ville > De Ville? What about the watches that are labeled "quartz"? Does the presence of quartz make the watch nicer or less nice?

If I buy a watch that is mostly really nice-looking but has a few imperfections in the gold plating or filling on the outside, can that be fixed easily/relatively cheaply with gold plating?
  1. Alternatively, and maybe this is crazy sacrilegious, but if the watch has a gold case but silver lugs (I know they don't like two-toned because even that is a bit fussy), can just the lugs be plated? We saw one like https://ebay.io/m/lW3f4V, and they loved it, but hated the silver lugs.
  2. Given the parameters outlined, any general advice?




 
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Wow, big list, but well thought out. Last item first as it's still fresh in my grey cells.
can just the lugs be plated?
Possibly, but probably expensive and will add no value to the watch.

As to quartz. Omega quartz movements are getting very old now and parts are getting harder to find so I'd suggest sticking to mechanical movements.

Gold plated/Gold Capped/Solid gold? I colour is a must for them, go for gold capped (much thicker than gold plated), I doubt you'll find a vintage Omega in solid gold within your price range.
Constellation > Seamaster De Ville > De Ville
Constellation was the name for Omega's chronometers, so there's a slightly higher price for these. Seamaster and Seamaster De Ville were basically the same until Omega moved the De Ville line into dress watches.

It's difficult to buy or suggest watches for others, but based on your post, I'd suggect a gold capped Seamaster from the lte 1960sto late 1970s.

There will be other member who may have a better grasp of the market, so stay tuned.
 
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Wow, big list, but well thought out. Last item first as it's still fresh in my grey cells.

Possibly, but probably expensive and will add no value to the watch.

As to quartz. Omega quartz movements are getting very old now and parts are getting harder to find so I'd suggest sticking to mechanical movements.

Gold plated/Gold Capped/Solid gold? I colour is a must for them, go for gold capped (much thicker than gold plated), I doubt you'll find a vintage Omega in solid gold within your price range.

Constellation was the name for Omega's chronometers, so there's a slightly higher price for these. Seamaster and Seamaster De Ville were basically the same until Omega moved the De Ville line into dress watches.

It's difficult to buy or suggest watches for others, but based on your post, I'd suggect a gold capped Seamaster from the lte 1960sto late 1970s.

There will be other member who may have a better grasp of the market, so stay tuned.
Thank you SO much for this feedback. Honestly, this was seriously helpful.I am going to look for a gold gapped Seamaster from the year range you mentioned. This was really kind and fast. Thank you!
 
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If I can chip in, you might want to check out 1950s Omega bumper watches. Although they don’t have a date function, they wear slightly larger than some of the later models, are gold capped rather than plated and are pretty classic.

Google, and look on eBay and Chrono24 and see what you think.

You should enter ‘Seamaster Calendar', ‘Omega 351', 'Omega 354’, ‘Omega 2577', 'Omega 2767’, and other OF members will make other suggestions.

What is paramount is that whatever takes your fancy, start a new thread here and someone will let you know if the watch is a good deal or not.

Here are a couple of examples from my collection

The first is a 2767 with a 354 movement and the second is a a 2577 with a 351 movement

 
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Following on from the above, model 2848 is also worth a look. That has the same so called fat lug case as above but a slightly more modern movement. There are fat lug cased models with date function if you must have it, model 2849 for one. A nice steel or gold cap 2849 should be in budget but be careful about repainted dials.
 
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For 40 years, they have worn a plastic black Casio watch.
Honestly, this is the kind of watch person I wish I could be.

Good luck on your hunt, I'm sure the heads here will send you some good suggestions.
Cheers,
-GW
 
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Welcome @OmegaWatchWife

I think you have a very healthy budget - so please don’t settle for none original or poor condition examples.

If you like the simple DeVille styles then you could also consider the late 60s Constellations, as they wear a little larger on the wrist.
Constellations were Omegas top of the range watches at the time.
Try looking at references 168.010 or 168.018.
Both references have a date function and the latter is especially good value.
(There is the 168.016 which has day and date but these are too busy for my tastes)

Best of luck with your hunt.
 
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As @Peemacgee suggests, 166.010 are very nice watches with the very reliable 565 movement. The 168.010 is similar in appearance but with a chronometer movement.

Again, a photo

 
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Devilles and lost 60’s Seamasters are 34mm.

I’d suggest a 166.032 or 168.028 Seamaster.

Robust, 36mm, decent levels of water resistance so dials are often in good condition and they can be found in gold cap relatively easily.
 
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Devilles and lost 60’s Seamasters are 34mm.

I’d suggest a 166.032 or 168.028 Seamaster.

Robust, 36mm, decent levels of water resistance so dials are often in good condition and they can be found in gold cap relatively easily.

… I agree but my perception is that some watches, particularly those with thicker lugs, appear to wear ‘bigger’….
 
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Here are two watches that have been recently listed for sale from other Omega Forums members. Neither one are gold, but otherwise they are very attractive watches:


 
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If it hasn't been mentioned already, "gold-capped" watches are within your budget, and a significant notch above in quality compared to gold-filled. A gold-capped Seamaster, DeVille, or SMDV are all a possibility well within your budget. Constellations would be more difficult, but not impossible.

If they like the DeVille and SMDV, that probably suggests a particular style, with a more simple/delicate case and thinner lugs, compared to some of the larger beefy lug Seamasters that have been suggested. I think people are trying to suggest references that are 36mm or larger, which is limiting. The DV and SMDV models are typically in the 34-35mm range, but your partner apparently liked them in the store, so I wouldn't rule them out.

You might also think about some other features, such as date vs. no-date. Some people have a pretty strong preference.

Finally, when giving a watch as a gift, I have always factored in the cost of a service. You don't want a gift to come with a required expense.
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If I can chip in, you might want to check out 1950s Omega bumper watches. Although they don’t have a date function, they wear slightly larger than some of the later models, are gold capped rather than plated and are pretty classic.
The classic Omega Seamaster did come with a date function if you wanted it:

Google “Omega Seamaster Ref. 2627” for similar watches. This version did not have a quick set date. If you were setting it, you have to move the hands forward to get to the desired date.

Good luck with your search.
gatorcpa
 
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A 14k solid gold DeVille may be just within budget if the 34mm case size is ok.
They do wear slightly larger than 34mm due to the large dial.
 
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Here’s one that caught my eye:

https://ebay.io/m/CW08Az

It has all the accessories that would ordinarily would be sold with the watch, except the buckle which I believe is a replica.

Current price is reasonable and no one has bid yet.
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Whatever you choose, run it past us first. I know originality isn’t the end all but you don’t want something very obviously wrong with it.
 
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Yup, what @TIMElyBehaviour just said.

Whilst your partner may not care too much about originality (and that's fair, I get that), there are a lot of duff Omegas out there for sale.
Collectors refer to them as Frankenwatches. Sellers cobble together bits from several worn out non runners to create something that photographs well, sells well, and, well that's all they care about.

The buyer is then lumbered with a watch that runs, but probably keeps terrible time. Sorting it out can cost many times the purchase price as multiple bits need replacing.

Added to that, whilst it may say Omega on the dial and it may look alright, most of them aren't a patch on a watch in factory original condition.

A good original watch should be well within your budget. Personally I would suggest perusing the for sale forum here. You won't get a bargain, but you won't get ripped off either.
If you do wish to go free range with your purchase, PLEASE ask for advice here before you buy.

Lastly, I suspect you already know this if you've been trying vintage Omegas, vintage watches are smaller than modern ones. It was fairly typical for a vintage gents watch to be 34mm in diameter about the size of a modern ladies watch. A modern gents watch could be 38 to 42mm.

Personally (I'm a bloke with 7 1/4" wrists) I think 42mm is stupidly large, unless you're a rugby playing gorilla.


EDIT: Almost all the vintage Omegas on Yahoo Auctions Japan (or whatever they've renamed it to) have very heavily polished cases. It's a shame as cosmetically a lot of them appear to be in otherwise decent nick.