I would like to buy this Connie, but something is wrong with it in my opinion: there is no tritium on the dial, not mentioned the adjustment on the movement. What is your opinion ?

 

what does 'T SWISS MADE T' on the dial mean?

 

14900-62 is a big red flag.
Many fakes sporting this reference.

 

T SWISS MADE T Means the markers/hands had tritium in them.

 

It means there's Tritium on the dial

 

Thanks, you guys are very informative. It does look strange to have a movement which clearly shows its age but a brand-new looking, shiny, scratch-free and sharp case and perfectly clean dial. And the observatory on the back doesn't look genuine -- maybe a crudely cast copy? I won't fall for this type of fake, so again, thanks.

 

I have seen dials with tritium marks but no tritium. This is not a tell tale sign of a fake or franken in my opinion. I would bet it is a function of when the dial gets printed vs lumed in the manufacture process.

That said, I believe it should have a cal 564 for the chronometer movement. The case is also a problem. It's a neat collection of parts, but not a watch worthy of a collection, if you will.

 

not that it matters much in the context of this thread, but I would pass on the movement b/c the rotor is sliding on the movement plate - which normally means that the axle/bushing/bearing is worn out ... might not be a no-no, but is def. a redish flag for me.

 

Good awareness and educative sharing for newbie wanting to own their first connie.

 

These were very popular assemblies 5 to 10 years ago. A well known watch site was offering the "kits" on line for about $150 all you had to do was to supply the movement. I'm sure there are thousands out there. All identical to this one. I bought one a few years ago from a dealer just for the very nice chronometer movement inside. This one doesn't appear to be so lucky.

 

There is always ones for sale popping up in the forum. Here's one right now that was already passed to another member of our group.
https://omegaforums.net/threads/omega-constellation-14381-reduced.37692/

 

On this watch, the T's but no lume is a clue to this fake dial. You need an education in Constellations before passing judgement about this again: omega-constellation-collectors.blogspot.com.

Oh, care to show those T but no tritium dials you've seen?

 

First, I have to say I don't see any need for rudeness. I know you are a mod, and I intend to remain respectful, but telling someone to "please learn a little more" is both pandering and uncalled for.

Second however, I have to disagree. There are Seamaster De Villes from the 60s and 70s with no tritium on the dial or hands which bear the T mark after the "Swiss Made"

My remark about the manufacturing process was not in regard to an omission or error. Simply that the printing would logically take place before the installation of any applied markers, lume, or hands. This would explain why a watch might bear these markings even if it became a model that didn't have any tritium.

 

Would love to see some examples of this.

 

Ok Then for the sake of the discussion I will give an example--I have two unishell Seamasters. One is a 1960 and one is 1976. Neither is a redial or has been refinished. Both are marked Swiss Made T but only one contains any tritium. The other has markers and hands that are plain. This is why I believe a "T" mark is not a definitive signal that a watch has been refinished. I also have not seen any documentation that this is the case beyond people like us saying as much on a forum.

So in both of our interests for eliminating misinformation, is there a source for deciding which is correct? The closest I have come is the database on omega's website, but that as we know is not complete with photos of each reference.

 

This is my de Ville from 1976. Sorry for the phone quality, I just took it. But you can tell it has the black and gold markers without tritium.

 

Picture too small and dark to see or say anything.

Even if this is valid, it has no bearing at all on the OP's watch in particular, since you've obviously never seen it before.