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I don't know what's going on here. My mother purchased this for my father at Tiffany in NYC in the 70's. No other owners. My Dad has gone back to the Casio F91 and gave me the Omega. It has been in to Omega and they (as per the service paperwork) said it's a 145.022. The bracelet reads 1171, 633 Links, circle 11, trapezoid Omega, However, the font looks off on the dial, there is NO Omega logo, and there's no T Swiss Made T as you would expect on the bottom since this is tritium. Possible it was re-dialed at a previous service and they just totally screwed it up? I can take more photos if needed, I don't have the tools or know how to pop the case open, but short of that. Thanks.

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Yes, take more pictures... the experts will need clear and sharp images of the dial, the caseback (back of the watch), both sides and of course the movement and the inside of the caseback which you have already mentioned isn't going to happen. If you have the service paperwork from Omega, please take a picture of that too.

If it is indeed a 145.022 and manufactured in the 1970s it will have writing engraved on the caseback. The bracelet is correct for the period as it could be found on Speedmasters from very late 1960s to late 1980s. The dial is not correct as it should have logo above the word "OMEGA" and "T SWISS MADE T" below the 6 plot.... Let the experts chime in... but get more photos ASAP.

I saw your additional photos... the dial is " I don't know what?"... it's wrong in more ways then one. No logo, the font of both the numbers and the writing, and you have long plots at the hour position where they should be short.
Compare to a correct 145.022... and your dial
Speedmaster145022-78dial.jpg TX3aC1I.jpg
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Yes, take more pictures... the experts will need clear and sharp images of the dial, the caseback (back of the watch), both sides and of course the movement and the inside of the caseback which you have already mentioned isn't going to happen. If you have the service paperwork from Omega, please take a picture of that too.

If it is indeed a 145.022 and manufactured in the 1970s it will have writing engraved on the caseback. The bracelet is correct for the period as it could be found on Speedmasters from very late 1960s to late 1980s. The dial is not correct as it should have logo above the word "OMEGA" and "T SWISS MADE T" below the 6 plot.... Let the experts chime in... but get more photos ASAP

Please see my second post with caseback photos. Shot of the side where? Will go find paperwork. Thx! Any possible explanations re the weird dial?

EDIT: I see the problems with the dial. Where/how could such a bad redial have been done?
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Take pictures of the crown, pushers and sides of the case. Everything about this watch is off, the hands, the bezel insert, the dial... I'll let the experts chime in but you are not going to be happy.
 
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Take pictures of the crown, pushers and sides of the case. Everything about this watch is off, the hands, the bezel insert, the dial... I'll let the experts chime in but you are not going to be happy.

I'll go take the pictures. The hands were replaced by Omega at the last service I think, it's on the itemized invoice.
 
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The case looks ok, they replaced everything... pushers, crown, hands, dial ... but, others will need to respond. If you sent to Omega, then it's a replacement dial, and I know nothing about replacement dials... but, I've never seen one like that. Hopefully others will respond.

I don't know what your watch looked like before you sent to Omega, but, if you have a vintage watch, generally, you don't want to send to Omega, unless they agree not to replace hands, dial, crown, insert, etc.
 
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The case looks ok, they replaced everything... pushers, crown, hands, dial ... but, others will need to respond. If you sent to Omega, then it's a replacement dial, and I know nothing about replacement dials... but, I've never seen one like that. Hopefully others will respond.

I don't know what your watch looked like before you sent to Omega, but, if you have a vintage watch, generally, you don't want to send to Omega, unless they agree not to replace hands, dial, crown, insert, etc.

The dial was (I believe) like this BEFORE the most recent service, since there is no mention of a new dial on the itemized list. I don't see where a replacement dial with no logo and weird font, etc...would even come from though. I have all the pieces that were replaced in a little bag.
 
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The dial was (I believe) like this BEFORE the most recent service, since there is no mention of a new dial on the itemized list. I don't see where a replacement dial with no logo and weird font, etc...would even come from though. I have all the pieces that were replaced in a little bag.
I can't give you an answer... if that is what the dial looked like when you sent the watch for service, then why didn't Omega replace it with a service dial? It is not an Omega dial in my opinion.
 
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It's baffling. My only explanation is that there must have been some previous service where the original dial was swapped out. The thing that is galling is that like I said, this watch was originally purchased at Tiffany & Co. As I understand it there was a limited run of co-branded Speedmasters. I don't know what years that was during or if all Speedmasters sold there had the co-branded dial, but the possibility that this was originally a co-branded Omega Tiffany, a rare dial that was carelessly swapped out for whatever is on it now is not great. I wonder, if armed with the serial # it would be possible to cross check and find out how it looked originally.
 
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It' As I understand it there was a limited run of co-branded Speedmasters. I don't know what years that was during or if all Speedmasters sold there had the co-branded dial, but the possibility that this was originally a co-branded Omega Tiffany, a rare dial that was carelessly swapped out for whatever is on it now is not great. I wonder, if armed with the serial # it would be possible to cross check and find out how it looked originally.

Perhaps something like this... if watch from very early 70s
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I guess I am going to have to go to Omega and try to get some answers
 
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I guess I am going to have to go to Omega and try to get some answers

You can certainly purchase an extract from the archives.
 
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You can certainly purchase an extract from the archives.
Sorry, what does this mean exactly? Thanks!
 
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Sorry, what does this mean exactly? Thanks!
An extract from the archives is a document provided by Omega that will provide information about your watch... the reference, the movement, when manufactured, etc.. see image. If you live in the USA you can call your local Omega Boutique and they will send the request for you. It costs 150.00 USD and will take a few months to get back.
Omega-speedmaster-145.012-ultraman-1.jpg


Source of Image: Brusselsvintagewatches.com
 
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Ok perfect, is it possible to go into the boutique and request they do it? I see the online form requires the serial # and like I said I am not comfortable with popping the watch open myself.
 
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Ok perfect, is it possible to go into the boutique and request they do it? I see the online form requires the serial # and like I said I am not comfortable with popping the watch open myself.
Call ahead and ask if they will remove caseback for you and file the request. I requested mine by phone but I knew the serial/movement #.
 
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Great. This might take me a couple of days to get sorted. I will keep the forum appraised as things unfold. Thx for the guidance.
 
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