Need advice..Speedmaster 105.012

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Just for clarification, the picture of the two dials are both NOT of the OP watch.
It's only for comparing the two dials with the OP watch馃槈
I stated "The dial of the watch should be the one below" and from my view its's not..
 
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Just for clarification, the picture of the two dials are both NOT of the OP watch.
It's only for comparing the two dials with the OP watch馃槈
I stated "The dial of the watch should be the one below" and from my view its's not..

Which "one below"? They are completely different.

In summary, the OP watch dial looks fine.
 
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Which "one below"? They are completely different.

In summary, the OP watch dial looks fine.
Based on the Omega logo and Speedmaster inscription of the OP watch, I would expect the wording of professional should be in line with professional wording expressed like below, thus with wide "A". But apparently you guys think its just fine..
 
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Based on the Omega logo and Speedmaster inscription of the OP watch, I would expect the wording of professional should be in line with professional wording expressed like below, thus with wide "A". But apparently you guys think its just fine..

Somehow you've picked an anomalous dial to make comparisons with, that printing is quite strange in various ways (the round "O"s in "PROFESSIONAL", the "S", the "r", the connection between "s" and "t"). If you look at all of the other 105012 dials on MWO, speedmaster101, etc., you will see that your dial is fine.
 
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Looks like it has correct parts and movement range for a 105.012-65 to me, the crown may not be a replacement - it's a 32-tooth wide logo crown which did appear on models in this era (though the exact range would have to be confirmed via MWO which I don't have with me at my office). Hands, maybe relumed? But they match and look fine to me. The lug scratches are odd but shouldn't cause trouble with the springbar fitment, though I'd still have a watchmaker look into it.
Hi guys, I am also considering a 105.012 with wide T space. These model usually have the font of the Omega logo less stretched and thus more compact. If I am coorect these model have been produced after 1966, through 1969. Which of the two models is more popular?
 
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OK I think I see your issue, in what you mean with professional... Is it how the O, S, and P line up? the No T dial (B1) does not line up in a straight line on the start of each of the characters, while the (b2) and later do. At least as seen in the MWO pictures. This appears to have the earlier line up as seen on the no T dial.

My answer is that there can be some variance on this and so far has not been noted anywhere.

Another answer is there is a slight difference between the B1 and B2 that no one has described, and this dial is in fact a B1bis dial with the T's added later, we would need better shots of the "swiss made" to determine. The "m" in speedmaster is correct for a b2 or B1 dial.

outside of that the dial looks as it should. Narrow T swiss, narrow "E", and correct speedmaster font, none of these would be present on a later service dial.
 
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OK I think I see your issue, in what you mean with professional... Is it how the O, S, and P line up? the No T dial (B1) does not line up in a straight line on the start of each of the characters, while the (b2) and later do. At least as seen in the MWO pictures. This appears to have the earlier line up as seen on the no T dial.

My answer is that there can be some variance on this and so far has not been noted anywhere.

Another answer is there is a slight difference between the B1 and B2 that no one has described, and this dial is in fact a B1bis dial with the T's added later, we would need better shots of the "swiss made" to determine. The "m" in speedmaster is correct for a b2 or B1 dial.

outside of that the dial looks as it should. Narrow T swiss, narrow "E", and correct speedmaster font, none of these would be present on a later service dial.
Thanks! This is what I meant indeed, having some issues with O, S and P馃槈 Unfortunately I do not have better "swiss made" pictures..But based on your analysis, I believe the dial is fine馃槈
 
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Hi Tom -as you point out, the dial is not perfect with lume loss and possibly scratches in the sub register. The hands look correct. The case is also correct for a -65 HF, but has been polished. The pushers also appear to be original fat neck. The crown is a later replacement. Lastly, the movement serial is also correct and appears to be clean.

The damage to the inner lugs wouldn鈥檛 bother me on this watch, the value is in the dial and bezel and therefore price should be appropriately adjusted.

Good luck.

-A
Hi! Do you believe the lume on the hands are original?
 
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I'm in the middle of conducting some research into late 60's Speedmaster crowns and I'm pretty confident this crown was never original to this ref.
I'll be very interested to find out what you 'dig up' David. My 32 tooth service??? crown was corrected to a vintage 24 tooth crown by STS during it's service. While I was at one of Chris's Time4apint meet ups in London, I discussed this with another Omega Forums member. He collects Speedmasters and is of the opinion that both crowns appeared on this reference.馃槙 Be good to read your conclusions on this.
 
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Hi - I think the lume on the dial looks original as there is evidence of flaking/missing lume. If it were relumed, I would expect it to look complete unless it was done poorly.

As for the hands, that's a tough call. The second sweep hand look original to me, as do the minute and hour sub-register hands. I can't tell if the hour/min. hand have been relumed/painted.