Need advice: 105.012-65 with late movement serial

A320Driver · Sep 10, 2023

Hi everyone,
I found a 105.012-65 online with a movement serial 265416xx.
During my online research I found that the movement dates approximately to August 1968.
I know that it's a really complicated subject but I thought maybe someone more knowledgeable might chime in.
Thanks for your help!

padders · Sep 10, 2023

It suggests that the movement has been swapped as the range you'd expect for a -64 is 20.5-22.82m, 26.5m is much later as you say.

A320Driver · Sep 10, 2023

padders
It suggests that the movement has been swapped as the range you'd expect for a -64 is 20.5-22.82m, 26.5m is much later as you say.

Sorry I put the wrong reference I meant -65 but I guess it's still a later range

A320Driver · Sep 13, 2023

I bought the watch. It looked appealing to me and I'm planning on wearing it. I probably will get an extraxt from the archives once that service is hopefully available again. Here's the link to the auction, https://www.ricardo.ch/de/a/1240207408
Braclet is stamped 4/67
I know it had it's bezel replaced.

hansaboy · Sep 13, 2023

Hi there!

Why don't you post your pictures here on the Forum?
It would be nice to see them, and they will stay here forever...😁

A320Driver · Sep 13, 2023

hansaboy
Hi there!

Why don't you post your pictures here on the Forum?
It would be nice to see them, and they will stay here forever...😁

Hi,
I haven't received the watch yet. I'll post pictures as soon as I get it.

ortope · Sep 13, 2023

To late for a 105.012-65...

Cheers

Dan S · Sep 13, 2023

Don't buy an extract.

A320Driver · Sep 13, 2023

Dan S
Don't buy an extract.

Probably a good advice. Wouldn't help much anyways. What is your theory? The seller seems like a nice guy. He told me he bought the watch from a private person.
What are the experts views on the case?
The things I noticed is that it has short pushers were the tubes probably have been replaced (not fat anymore). The wide spaced T dial could be correct for a late -65.
Overall the case and the case back look like they haven't seen much polishing.
Hands are correct for the period but losing some of the lume (maybe I should get them stabilized or relumed).

Dan S · Sep 13, 2023

My theory is that someone assembled the watch out of parts, which isn't uncommon. If you have the watch serviced, there's certainly no harm in stabilizing the hands from the back side. Looking at the photos, I also noticed quite a lot of lume loss on the dial markers. So overall, I think this is best viewed as a nice watch to wear, and not a watch to restore or over-analyze.

As noted above, it is conventional on OF to post photos instead of links, so that threads can serve as a helpful archive in the future. So I hope that you will post photos.

hansaboy · Sep 13, 2023

A320Driver
Hi,
I haven't received the watch yet. I'll post pictures as soon as I get it.

Or maybe post the ones you have?
I think you will get more answers to your questions from the Forum!
Everybody likes pictures!!

Davidt · Sep 13, 2023

A320Driver
Probably a good advice. Wouldn't help much anyways. What is your theory? The seller seems like a nice guy. He told me he bought the watch from a private person.
What are the experts views on the case?
The things I noticed is that it has short pushers were the tubes probably have been replaced (not fat anymore). The wide spaced T dial could be correct for a late -65.
Overall the case and the case back look like they haven't seen much polishing.
Hands are correct for the period but losing some of the lume (maybe I should get them stabilized or relumed).

Wide spaced T dial isn’t correct for any -65.

I think this is likely a 145.012-67, with a replaced caseback and bezel. The mid case, dial and movement all align with a -67.
The bracelet seems slightly early but could be correct.

Of course it could also be a complete amalgamation of parts.

A320Driver · Sep 13, 2023

Here's the pictures from the auction:

A320Driver · Sep 13, 2023

Davidt
Wide spaced T dial isn’t correct for any -65.

I think this is likely a 145.012-67, with a replaced caseback and bezel. The mid case, dial and movement all align with a -67.
The bracelet seems slightly early but could be correct.

Of course it could also be a complete amalgamation of parts.

I guess that would be the best case scenario for me. In that case an extract from the archives could help.

padders · Sep 13, 2023

Roger that. What you have there is a -67 or -68 as confirmed by the serial with an incorrect swapped caseback. As you say the better of the scenarios. The dial lume colour and loss is typical of a 145.012 vs the earlier 105.

A320Driver · Sep 13, 2023

padders
Roger that. What you have there is a -67 or -68 as confirmed by the serial with an incorrect swapped caseback. As you say the better of the scenarios. The dial lume colour and loss is typical of a 145.012 vs the earlier 105.

Thanks for the help! That's great to hear. I was looking for a nice watch to wear with preferably a 321, step dial, applied logo and long indices. That watch ticked all the boxes and that's the reason I bid on it. I bid a bid more than I initially wanted.
For now I'll wait until I get the watch and then decide if I'll just wear it as it is or try to get the correct parts to have a proper 145.012.

Caliber561 · Sep 13, 2023

Just a heads-up, the balance cock and escape wheel cock are unlikely to be original to the movement, given the color difference between them and the 3/4 plate. Also, the OXG on the balance cock is an American import code for Omega, and I've always seen it paid with a mention of adjustment/unadjustment on the escape wheel cock. It's likely that those two parts were not from the same watch, and in my opinion, there's no telling without an extract whether the serial is even for a Speedmaster should the above be true.

I'm not sure whether the midcase is for a 145.012. It seems to have been fitted with the thin-stem service pushers meant to be used as replacements for earlier 105.012 friction-fit pushers.

Regardless, it's still a fun watch, and I'd certainly enjoy wearing it as a daily if I were in your position.

hansaboy · Sep 13, 2023

You have got a Speedy watch that you can use (you didn't mention if it was serviced) and have fun with!
I would not think more about the extract...
It is shut down for the moment,
and if it would be opened again I think that they would reject your application.
You needed to write down the referens nr, serial nr and attache pictures of the watch showing the movement, dial, inside of the
case back etc.
Once they see that the movement and referens nr doesn't match the case back, they will deny your application.

And you will be 110/120 CHF poorer.

But that was how they did it before, they might not open it up, or they might change the procedure when opened again.

Cheers!

A320Driver · Sep 27, 2023

Got the watch now. Definitely needs a service. I'm happy to post further pictures. Haven't opened up the watch yet.

ndgal · Sep 28, 2023

A320Driver
I'm happy to post further pictures.

Post pictures of the case from the sides.

Need advice: 105.012-65 with late movement serial

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