My watch-flipping experiment

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So basically you are buying watches with shitty description hoping they turn out better, so you can describe them properly and sell them for a profit. Great 😁 I will follow this thread closely, which I predict will be running for some time.
Yes, that's pretty much my intention.
You will need to polish your writing skills as a 50 percent profit will only leave you with under £6 for your next purchase.
Not sure where you went to business school, but 50% profit means 50% on top of break-even, so in this case, I'd have about £17 to play with. But besides that, I'm not sure I stated any expected profit margin. Did I? If I did, it was a mistake, I'm not setting any targets.
 
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This.

People can, and will, return stuff even if your description is perfectly accurate. I've had people return a caseback they had hoped would fit on a completely different watch, claiming I "sent wrong item". Ebay doesn't allow for sellers to argue anymore, you have to take it back or lose your good account standing. :whipped:

On the positive note - This reminds me of the guy who started with a paperclip, and traded all the way up to a house. Garnered a lot of press back in the day. Granted - the press is what probably allowed some of those moves to happen, but maybe you'll have similar results on a small scale.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_red_paperclip
Yes, OK, I'm wondering if I'd be better offering the 14 days "return at your own expense" option in that case. I'll think on this. Always open to advice.
 
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50% profit means 50% on top of break-even, so in this case, I'd have about £17 to play with.

The sky's the limit then 😁

just kidding. Actually you got me thinking and I might start listing some of our lower priced stuff here in the sales section and see how things go. It could be fun and besides we have to get rid of some stuff when every horizontal area of our den is covered with recent watch hunting finds!
 
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I posted a hypothetical scenario about selling a watch on the Rolex forum, they took it down and gave me 3 points on my licence whatever that means. I sent them a message asking what I had done wrong and was told very rudely not to contact them again or I would be banned.
If you had posted this on there god knows what they would have done to you.🤬🥰
 
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I’m guessing a lot of collectors do this in principal - but maybe with a little less purpose than you’re proposing.

I have a similar model that I use to improve my collection over time. It’s not aimed at profit but rather securing “nicer” watches and learning along the way. For the most part all you need to do is make sure to buy correctly and sell intelligently. My rule is that I won’t buy a watch that I don’t like (aka I’m not buying pieces to flip - I’m flipping pieces I wanted to wear to fund a different piece). However, since I bought correctly and the market has been going up, there is likely going to be a bit of profit somewhere along the line to add to the next piece.

Kind of reminds me of the “one red paperclip” trade up story.
 
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I’m guessing a lot of collectors do this in principal - but maybe with a little less purpose than you’re proposing.

I have a similar model that I use to improve my collection over time. It’s not aimed at profit but rather securing “nicer” watches and learning along the way. For the most part all you need to do is make sure to buy correctly and sell intelligently. My rule is that I won’t buy a watch that I don’t like (aka I’m not buying pieces to flip - I’m flipping pieces I wanted to wear to fund a different piece). However, since I bought correctly and the market has been going up, there is likely going to be a bit of profit somewhere along the line to add to the next piece.

Kind of reminds me of the “one red paperclip” trade up story.
Yes, as I say, it's an experiment to see how far I can get and it's very much inspired by the paperclip experiment. I totally agree that it would be, in one sense, wiser to focus on watches I like so that if I feel it's better to hang on to one, and can enjoy it until it's time to flip, or not flip at all, but that's not really the purpose of this game. Also, starting with such a small capital outlay makes it way too restrictive if I were only to buy watches I would happily include in my collection, so I definitely want to get rid of these and if I can't, I can always make art with them. For example, I could lie down naked with them strategically placed one on my wrist and the other on my left nipple, and open an instagram account to display them. That way I'll be on a six figure salary within 12 weeks if I've understood that other thread correctly.
 
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I could lie down naked with them strategically placed one on my wrist and the other on my left nipple, and open an instagram account to display them. That way I'll be on a six figure salary within 12 weeks if I've understood that other thread correctly.

well I can see by your avatar that you do have the legs for it 😁
 
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I would go to the thrift store and buy some old diver style watches for $5 each and sell them for $25 on eBay. Buying and selling on eBay alone doesn’t give you much upside, since you will be trying to sell back to the same market that passed up the chance to buy the watches originally. The value added by cleaning up the watches and describing them better will be very minimal, and eBay fees and taxes will eat up your profits. Also if you traffic in less desirable watches, they will take a long time to sell, and the turnaround time will reduce the efficiency of the flipping. It will become boring and cumbersome. Just my two cents.
 
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Yes, as I say, it's an experiment to see how far I can get and it's very much inspired by the paperclip experiment. I totally agree that it would be, in one sense, wiser to focus on watches I like so that if I feel it's better to hang on to one, and can enjoy it until it's time to flip, or not flip at all, but that's not really the purpose of this game. Also, starting with such a small capital outlay makes it way too restrictive if I were only to buy watches I would happily include in my collection, so I definitely want to get rid of these and if I can't, I can always make art with them. For example, I could lie down naked with them strategically placed one on my wrist and the other on my left nipple, and open an instagram account to display them. That way I'll be on a six figure salary within 12 weeks if I've understood that other thread correctly.
I don't know if I'm qualified to say this but I will try...
I could never have profit selling watches that I did not like. Eventually I sold everything I did not like at a lower price than I bough it. I don't know if this is always true but can happen, in my opinion. When you like a watch you describe it better and also will never just give it away. Of course that goes for the collectors-selling-buying. Your model is different. I think its strictly selling-buying model.
Your progress will sure show you how to proceed, but it will be very difficult to progress if you don't concentrate and become an expert to certain brands or models.. Estimating how much a pretty unknown watch will sell, is too difficult in my opinion.
 
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Good luck! I am still new and learning about the world of watches. This is a very interesting project if you stick to your own rules. Bravo!
 
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I would go to the thrift store and buy some old diver style watches for $5 each and sell them for $25 on eBay. Buying and selling on eBay alone doesn’t give you much upside, since you will be trying to sell back to the same market that passed up the chance to buy the watches originally. The value added by cleaning up the watches and describing them better will be very minimal, and eBay fees and taxes will eat up your profits. Also if you traffic in less desirable watches, they will take a long time to sell, and the turnaround time will reduce the efficiency of the flipping. It will become boring and cumbersome. Just my two cents.
All true, but I think if he sells them using the auction method starting at $.99 on eBay (rather than BIN/Best Offer), he'll have a lot better chance of moving them.
 
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Round 1 complete and I'm doing better than expected so far.

I netted £14.72 on the Seiko 7009 and a surprising £38.01 on the 6119, so a total of £52.73. My initial outlay was £15.50, so I'm in profit to the tune of £37.23.

I've started off round 2 with the purchase of a Lorus Lumibrite on an expandable stainless steel bracelet, in its original, slightly damaged, box. The watch is pretty much as new. I paid £14.23 including postage.

I know these are cheap watches, but they are good value for money and as a sub-brand of Seiko I think there should be a little bit of profit in this, if I list it well. I bought it on the strength of two poor pictures and scant description. With an hour to go before the auction ended I asked the seller to tell me how well the watch worked - he said "perfectly", so I bought it in the closing seconds. I'll put it back up for sale in a couple of weeks.

That leaves me £38.50 still available.
 
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I think this could be interesting to follow so good luck.

I would say though that I think you've kinda started a bit low and you may end up trudging through some crap to get to the more interesting watches. I would've probably started at around £250 for some basic Omegas that you could really enjoy off the bat.

Regardless, it sounds fun. Keep us posted!
 
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I think this could be interesting to follow so good luck.

I would say though that I think you've kinda started a bit low and you may end up trudging through some crap to get to the more interesting watches. I would've probably started at around £250 for some basic Omegas that you could really enjoy off the bat.

Regardless, it sounds fun. Keep us posted!
Thanks, I hope it’s interesting for others as well as me.

You’re right, it may be rather tedious until I get to the kind of level you suggested, however, the idea was to try to get to that level from nothing, partly because the journey to that point would hopefully teach me a fair bit about buying and selling. At this stage I’m not sure I’m knowledgable enough to see a profit in good watch like an Omega. I’m learning all the time by hanging around here, but I need to learn much more before I’ll feel confident enough to punt that kind of money on a watch given there are dealers out there who make a living doing this. As it’s a hobby for me I’m unlikely to be competing against dealers at this cheap end of the market. You can’t put food on the table doing what I’m doing so I’m sort of safe for the time being.
 
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Sounds like a fun and instructive game. I can tell you from experience that you can flip on ebay profitably based on superior photography alone. Presentation is key. I found good pickings on items from people with low feedback, since many buyers avoid them even though ebay will guarantee you don't get burned. All you'd lose in that case is time, but I never had a problem.

Best of luck. You'll be wearing steel sports Rolex by Christmas!
 
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Knowledge is key when it comes to flipping watches. You'll have to do tons and tons of reading prior to buying or selling a watch, you might find a small details that adds premium to the watch that the previous seller didn't know about! It's an excellent way to expand your knowledge and experience overtime. The whole process is fun but never risk free, the devil is in the details!
Wish you the best of luck and can't wait to see that railmaster ! 😉 👍
 
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Good luck and looking forward to reading about your experiment - and who knows, maybe from a Seiko to a 6263?!