- Posts
- 1
- Likes
- 0
theoscollection
·TLDR: I got a new vintage Omega, it runs well, is in near-mint condition, but the coil has an issue. I want to buy a compatible coil so that, if my watch/coil ever breaks, I will be prepared. The watch is a 1980 Omega DeVille. caliber 1336, 191.0096. All I need to know is if this is the correct coil and if it's compatible.
I recently bought a 1980 Omega DeVille, 191.0096, caliber 1336 for $500. Fully authentic. Near-mint condition. This watch has a flaw: The coil looks damaged or poorly repaired (see image 2), which I'm told can worsen longevity, durability, etc. It could also be nothing; it's running well, and. it may run well forever. I know nothing about movements, so, after learning about the coil, I posted about this a tad too often on a few forums. I learned a lot, and naturally. this led to me hearing conflicting opinions: t's working well, the coil isn't broken; there's just something on it, it's harmless, it's a botched job, must return, etc.
My final decision, which I made today, is to buy the replacement coil, keep wearing the watch, and only replace the coil if/when it breaks. Finding this coil is more complicated than it seems, and that's why I'm making this post.
I've been scouring the internet for this coil. On Reddit, I was shown this coil (part 9417) , and after asking around on forums and asking ChatGPT (I know, I'm sorry), it seems like a match. Since there's only one left I'm nervous: I don't want to buy it before I'm 100% sure it's compatible, but I don't want to lose the chance to give this watch a long life. I almost bought it for this reason, until one person on Reddit said that "his research" showed this was the wrong part. One person is all I need to go back, obsess some more, and lose any certainty I might've had.
So I did more digging, and I came across this website, "Cousins;" when you enter "1336" under "Omega Calibre Number," and enter "Coil" under "Swiss Part Description," it shows that 9417 is the correct component for the 1336. On Boley's website when you go to "Caliber" at the top, type "1336" and select Omega, scroll down to the coil and you'll find it listed as 1336-9417. Of course, that is good news. Then, I Googled "what coil is used in the omega caliber 1336," since it was still bugging me that someone said the 9417 is the wrong coil, even with this new info. Anyway, I clicked the first link, to a website called "Emmy Watch," typed "1336" into their search bar, clicked the top result, and under "Parts Listing," I scrolled down and clicked on "Coil." They listed the coil for the 1336 as "X/9884." This is obviously unexpected. Having tired my use of Reddit, I went to Artificial Intelligence.
If this coil IS a match, I worry that the 1336 being the slimmest watch in the family could pose a problem.
I just want to know if anyone has enough experience to tell me whether or not this will work. One Redditor says yes, one says no. ChatGPT says yes, Claude says no (then it said yes).
AI TLDR: The robots are convinced that A. The database that showed the 1336 that the company calling their 9147 equivalent "X/9884" is actually essentially no different from the "9147" at all. 2. Though there's a chance the 9147 wouldn't work with my watch, maybe due to sizing, "the most likely conclusion is that a genuine Omega 9417 coil from a 1332/1337 is compatible with an Omega Cal. 1336.
Here's what I learned from AI...
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
All the AI section is doing is proving why the 9417 would work with my movement. I still want to hear from humans before I decide to buy the coil!
The most likely conclusion is that a genuine Omega 9417 coil from a 1332/1337 is compatible with an Omega Cal. 1336, despite EmmyWatch's listing. There is a conflict between sources: Boley's calls the coil the 1336-9417, and Cousins call the coil the 9417, just with a 1332 caliber; EmmyWatch identifies the 1336 coil as X/9884. The electronic module - 9884 or X/9884 - shares the 9417 coil across all calibers. Boley showing the coil of this watch as part 9417 and EmmyWatch showing the coil as X/9884 is because of how databases are organized. This contradiction mostly fades when the data is closely examined. EmmyWatch uses X/9884 in the entire movement family, the same one that uses the 9417. If X/9884 and 9417 were different coils, one would expect many differences. The Omega Part 9417 is the designated individual copper coil for the 1332-1337 movement family, so it can directly replace a coil on an Omega using a caliber 1336. The 9417 is safe/compatible, as the 1336 is identical to the 1332 in terms of motor and electronic functions. Confirmation of this compatibility can be found in: the Omega Caliber 1332/1336/1337 Spare Parts Manual, the Jules Borel & Co. database, the Esslinger & Co. archives, and the Bestfit Encyclopedia of Watch Material.
A different AI, Claude, said this: "Based on the research, the honest answer is: the 9417 is not confirmed compatible with the Cal. 1336." He backed it up by saying that the art 9417 is listed only for Calibers 1332 and 1337. He mentioned "A knowledgeable watchmaker on the Omega forums noted that part 1332.9600 (the circuit) fits the 1332, 1333, and 1336, but was careful to say the 1337 may differ," so parts in the same family don't always work well together, given the thinner frame of the 1336 compared to the 1332/7. Claude also said "The 1336 is the slimmest in the family, and the coil sits within that movement stack, so the dimensions matter. There is an official Omega 1336 parts list document (I either couldn't find that list, or he was referring to a list on Scribd that seems useless) that would have the correct coil part number - that's really the definitive reference to check before purchasing." I later shared some of the information from the above paragraph and Claude said: 'So to give you a straight answer: "So yes - the Cal. 1337/1332 Part 9417 coil listed on eBay and elsewhere is the correct and safe replacement for your 1980 De Ville Ref. 191.0096 with Cal. 1336." This is odd to me, because I never addressed the sizing/dimensionality difference that Claude brought up, and I worry it may be an issue.
I have spent an absurd amount of time stressing/obsessing over this watch over the past 48 hours, pulling an all-nighter to write this post. This level of stress over a WATCH is crazy, but it is in line with my OCD and obsessive tendencies. Hopefully this marks the end of it.
I was also told that, despite the watch running, it uses a "high drain" 391 movement and I need the "low drain" Renata 381. Since it's cheap and easy I'm happy to do it, but if my watch works with this battery, what's the point?
Images shown: 1. Me wearing my watch 2. The movement of my watch next to the underside of the caseback 3-4. Photos of different people's Omegas with the same movement, for reference.
TLDR (again): I got a new vintage Omega, it runs well, is in near-mint condition, but the coil has an issue. I want to buy a compatible coil so that, if my watch/coil ever breaks, I will be prepared. The watch is a 1980 Omega DeVille. caliber 1336, 191.0096. All I need to know is if this is the correct coil and if it's compatible.
I recently bought a 1980 Omega DeVille, 191.0096, caliber 1336 for $500. Fully authentic. Near-mint condition. This watch has a flaw: The coil looks damaged or poorly repaired (see image 2), which I'm told can worsen longevity, durability, etc. It could also be nothing; it's running well, and. it may run well forever. I know nothing about movements, so, after learning about the coil, I posted about this a tad too often on a few forums. I learned a lot, and naturally. this led to me hearing conflicting opinions: t's working well, the coil isn't broken; there's just something on it, it's harmless, it's a botched job, must return, etc.
My final decision, which I made today, is to buy the replacement coil, keep wearing the watch, and only replace the coil if/when it breaks. Finding this coil is more complicated than it seems, and that's why I'm making this post.
I've been scouring the internet for this coil. On Reddit, I was shown this coil (part 9417) , and after asking around on forums and asking ChatGPT (I know, I'm sorry), it seems like a match. Since there's only one left I'm nervous: I don't want to buy it before I'm 100% sure it's compatible, but I don't want to lose the chance to give this watch a long life. I almost bought it for this reason, until one person on Reddit said that "his research" showed this was the wrong part. One person is all I need to go back, obsess some more, and lose any certainty I might've had.
So I did more digging, and I came across this website, "Cousins;" when you enter "1336" under "Omega Calibre Number," and enter "Coil" under "Swiss Part Description," it shows that 9417 is the correct component for the 1336. On Boley's website when you go to "Caliber" at the top, type "1336" and select Omega, scroll down to the coil and you'll find it listed as 1336-9417. Of course, that is good news. Then, I Googled "what coil is used in the omega caliber 1336," since it was still bugging me that someone said the 9417 is the wrong coil, even with this new info. Anyway, I clicked the first link, to a website called "Emmy Watch," typed "1336" into their search bar, clicked the top result, and under "Parts Listing," I scrolled down and clicked on "Coil." They listed the coil for the 1336 as "X/9884." This is obviously unexpected. Having tired my use of Reddit, I went to Artificial Intelligence.
If this coil IS a match, I worry that the 1336 being the slimmest watch in the family could pose a problem.
I just want to know if anyone has enough experience to tell me whether or not this will work. One Redditor says yes, one says no. ChatGPT says yes, Claude says no (then it said yes).
AI TLDR: The robots are convinced that A. The database that showed the 1336 that the company calling their 9147 equivalent "X/9884" is actually essentially no different from the "9147" at all. 2. Though there's a chance the 9147 wouldn't work with my watch, maybe due to sizing, "the most likely conclusion is that a genuine Omega 9417 coil from a 1332/1337 is compatible with an Omega Cal. 1336.
Here's what I learned from AI...
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
All the AI section is doing is proving why the 9417 would work with my movement. I still want to hear from humans before I decide to buy the coil!
The most likely conclusion is that a genuine Omega 9417 coil from a 1332/1337 is compatible with an Omega Cal. 1336, despite EmmyWatch's listing. There is a conflict between sources: Boley's calls the coil the 1336-9417, and Cousins call the coil the 9417, just with a 1332 caliber; EmmyWatch identifies the 1336 coil as X/9884. The electronic module - 9884 or X/9884 - shares the 9417 coil across all calibers. Boley showing the coil of this watch as part 9417 and EmmyWatch showing the coil as X/9884 is because of how databases are organized. This contradiction mostly fades when the data is closely examined. EmmyWatch uses X/9884 in the entire movement family, the same one that uses the 9417. If X/9884 and 9417 were different coils, one would expect many differences. The Omega Part 9417 is the designated individual copper coil for the 1332-1337 movement family, so it can directly replace a coil on an Omega using a caliber 1336. The 9417 is safe/compatible, as the 1336 is identical to the 1332 in terms of motor and electronic functions. Confirmation of this compatibility can be found in: the Omega Caliber 1332/1336/1337 Spare Parts Manual, the Jules Borel & Co. database, the Esslinger & Co. archives, and the Bestfit Encyclopedia of Watch Material.
A different AI, Claude, said this: "Based on the research, the honest answer is: the 9417 is not confirmed compatible with the Cal. 1336." He backed it up by saying that the art 9417 is listed only for Calibers 1332 and 1337. He mentioned "A knowledgeable watchmaker on the Omega forums noted that part 1332.9600 (the circuit) fits the 1332, 1333, and 1336, but was careful to say the 1337 may differ," so parts in the same family don't always work well together, given the thinner frame of the 1336 compared to the 1332/7. Claude also said "The 1336 is the slimmest in the family, and the coil sits within that movement stack, so the dimensions matter. There is an official Omega 1336 parts list document (I either couldn't find that list, or he was referring to a list on Scribd that seems useless) that would have the correct coil part number - that's really the definitive reference to check before purchasing." I later shared some of the information from the above paragraph and Claude said: 'So to give you a straight answer: "So yes - the Cal. 1337/1332 Part 9417 coil listed on eBay and elsewhere is the correct and safe replacement for your 1980 De Ville Ref. 191.0096 with Cal. 1336." This is odd to me, because I never addressed the sizing/dimensionality difference that Claude brought up, and I worry it may be an issue.
I have spent an absurd amount of time stressing/obsessing over this watch over the past 48 hours, pulling an all-nighter to write this post. This level of stress over a WATCH is crazy, but it is in line with my OCD and obsessive tendencies. Hopefully this marks the end of it.
I was also told that, despite the watch running, it uses a "high drain" 391 movement and I need the "low drain" Renata 381. Since it's cheap and easy I'm happy to do it, but if my watch works with this battery, what's the point?
Images shown: 1. Me wearing my watch 2. The movement of my watch next to the underside of the caseback 3-4. Photos of different people's Omegas with the same movement, for reference.
TLDR (again): I got a new vintage Omega, it runs well, is in near-mint condition, but the coil has an issue. I want to buy a compatible coil so that, if my watch/coil ever breaks, I will be prepared. The watch is a 1980 Omega DeVille. caliber 1336, 191.0096. All I need to know is if this is the correct coil and if it's compatible.
