My Early Seamaster 120 Divers. What to look for and what to avoid.

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Since it has the 561 cal and the 'adjusted 5 times', it is more likely it is a total movt transplant.
However, it is just possible theses parts have been transplanted into a similar Omega movt.
Try the date thing I mentioned - it might point towards a probable solution.
 
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Since it has the 561 cal and the 'adjusted 5 times', it is more likely it is a total movt transplant.
However, it is just possible theses parts have been transplanted into a similar Omega movt.
Try the date thing I mentioned - it might point towards a probable solution.

Yeah, no quickset, just the swirling around from 9-1.

Movement swap. Does it impact the value / originality?
 
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Movement swap. Does it impact the value / originality?
I don't really follow SM120s but as a 'frankenwatch' it is bound to affect the value quite significantly if someone is looking for an all-original watch.
 
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Yeah, no quickset, just the swirling around from 9-1.

Movement swap. Does it impact the value / originality?

It obviously impacts the originality as it’s almost certainly not the original movement. This in turn will have an impact on value and also how sellable the watch is. I.e. it will sell for less than an original example but will also take longer to sell
 
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I have a question about my SM120. Bought it a couple of years ago and it had an official Omega service. This is it:

This photo show a lot of smudges and hairs, i took it under a real bright light.



These are on another bracelet (both original Omega and corresponding the watch age):



I know this watch is delivered with the 565 movement. But, mine is with the 561 movement. The watchmaker said: well, the watch is almost 60 years old, its quite possible someone just replaced the movement 50 years ago. Movements were easy to order, Omega wasn't that strict with parts back then, so maybe someone even liked the 561 more because of the COSC. We don't know. It was in there, we serviced it.

Is this a logical explanation? Or is it even possible that some 565 were equiped with the 561 movement? Its quite dull, because the quickset isnt working on the 561.

Happy to hear your responses!
561 is not a quick set movement and is Chronometer ( used in chronometer seamaster or Connie). just a fyi
 
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The caliber 561 was not used in any automatic Seamaster 120 from the 1960s. which were introduced in 1966, the 120's featured manual wind movements such as the calibers 601, 611, and 613, or later automatic calibers like 554 and 565.
 
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MANUAL WIND VERSION

circa: 1967

OMEGA SEAMASTER 120 SKIN DIVER

OMEGA branded single crown with screw down case back watch case made by Ervin Piquerez S.A aka: EPSA case ref.# - 135.027

Mvmnt: OMEGA CALIBER 601 MANUAL WIND / NO DATE complication POWER RESERVE 48 HOURS.


Correct Stainless Steel Bracelet - OMEGA SS bracelet ref.# No.11 OST- 1098, Ω and 19MM ref.# 547 end links.

THE CASE BACK for Manual Wind ...

Case back is CHEMICALLY ENGRAVED, not etched or stamped. The chemical engraving results in a lightly-etched Hippocampus (Seahorse) symbol, along with the Omega logo and the text "SEAMASTER 120 WATERPROOF". The engraving should be shallow, and DEEPER ENGRAVINGS are indicative of fakes or Frankenwatches.

The case back
of the manual-wind references is FLAT, unlike the domed case backs of the automatic models.

OMEGA FACTORY BRACELET ref# 1098 and ENDLINK ref# 547
case references

135.027 (manual, no date),
136.027 (manual, with date),
165.027 (automatic, no date)
166.027 (automatic, with date)

Era / Period correct and factory original
for both the manual wind and automatic models of the Seamaster 120 Skin Diver line is the Omega No.11 stainless steel bracelet, reference 0ST-1098 and 19mm end links, reference #547 based on Omega catalogue images.

Despite seeing many examples today on different stainless steel bracelets this is the accurate pairing seen on official Omega catalogues.

AUTOMATIC MODELS
with BLACK DATE WHEEL are around BUT ...

There is no documented evidence in official Omega advertisements, catalogues that the Seamaster 120 with a date complication was ever factory-equipped with a black date wheel. No verified proof has been presented in advertisements or official Omega materials, and such a feature remains unconfirmed. Therefore, the presence of a black date wheel is considered non-standard based on official Omega materials, adverts, vintage catalogue. The images that are around / posted are potentially indicative of aftermarket modifications.

if anyone has found official Omega documentation that show an automatic Seamaster 120 with a black date wheel please share it with us ...

SAFETY RED (orange?) SECONDS SWEEP PYLON / BATON


The Seamaster 120 also came with a safety RED (orange?) seconds sweep pylon as evidenced by an image from the Omega catalogue introduction for the SEAMASTER 120, image is shared below. It should be noted in the catalogue image the safety red seconds sweep baton/pylon is exactly the same as the white colored baton/pylon.

There have been 120s' that have a SAFETY RED PYLON installed from an Omega Geneve Admiralty model it is an elongated triangular RED pylon/baton. This could be a sign of aftermarket modification such as a watch maker repair job - cannibalization for parts no longer in production, and or a franken watch.

The Gentleman's SEAMASTER 120 came in 4 models:

Case ref.# - 135.027 ....... Manual Movement, No Date, Caliber 601
Case ref.# - 136.027 ........ Manual Movement, with Date, Caliber 611 / 613
Case ref.# - 165.027 ........ Auto Movement, No Date, Caliber 552
Case ref.# - 166.027 ........ Auto Movement, with Date, Cailber 565



BRACELET and STRAP options

*** 19MM SS bracelet ref.# 1098 ref.# 547 endlinks
*** 19MM Best Fit Swiss Tropic MOD DEP rubber diver strap
*** 19MM Corfam both smooth or perforated style
this is a water repellent synthetic material designed to mimic real leather

The 120 if purchased with a stainless steel bracelet would have came from OMEGA paired with a Omega branded stainless steel bracelet made by JB Champion USA ref.# 1098 No.11 and 19MM ref.# 547 curved end links. OMEGA bracelets MADE BY JB Champion USA will have a small triangle with an Omega logo inside.


THE 0ST-1098 Stainless Steel bracelet and the 19MM ref 547 endlink
used on the Omega Seamaster 120



OMEGA bracelets MADE BY JB Champion USA will have a small triangle with an Omega logo inside.


BEZEL surface when it was new was entirely black including the serrated edges ... The aluminum bezel inserts matte black coating stops short of of the edge and tapers at an angle to the serrated edges. Due to age and use most bezel will have this worn off exposing the metallic surface.


BEZEL WITH FULLY INTACT MATTE BLACK COATING
note the downward slope towards serrated edge
photo from - UWSEARCH



Original white second sweep pylon/baton length stops 1/4 (+/-) short of the edge of the dial markers. It's tip is slightly curved towards the dial. New or Factory replacement hands are longer.



alongside a 1964 OMEGA SEAMASTER 600



16MM-19MM JB Champion USA expandable band aka: NASA bracelet on a 7 1/2 inch wrist



19MM BEST FIT Swiss Tropic MOD DEP diver strap



VINTAGE BUCKLES from the 1960's and 1970's
OEM Omega buckles
that would have been paired with vintage (on the left) Best Fit SWISS TROPIC MOD DEP diver strap and on a (on the right) vintage TROPIC STAR diver strap, these would also have been used on Omega smooth or textured CORFAM straps.

The LOGO HAS SHARP DEFINED EDGES which has slight raised textured surface inside
again ... IT's edges are NOT SMOOTH and ROUNDED



Details on buckle are NOT HAND or MACHINE STAMPED
it is hand etched unto the buckle.

The LOGO HAS SHARP DEFINED EDGES not smooth and rounded



along side a 1968 BREITLING GENEVE TOP TIME MK2 mvmnt. Venus caliber 178 (WOG)



along side a 1973 BULOVA DEEP SEA 666FEET DIVER CHRONOGRAPHE variant B



along side a SEIKO caliber 6309 case ref.# 7049 aka: Turtle



along side a 1966 HAMILTON 600FEET Aqua Date



19MM UNCLE SEIKO version of a Seiko XGL-731 diver strap aka: Tire Tread strap



Paired with a KIZI Hook and Loop (velcro) strap




1966 and 1967 models have a dive depth rating @ 120 Meters ( 393.7 FEET static)

OMEGA BOOK - Omega - A Journey through Time

The book states the 120 was created / introduced in 1966
and launched / released to the general public in 1967.

The book also states that 1966 and 1867 versions had a dive depth rating at 120 Meters ( 393.7 FEET static) and later models (1968 and 1969) water resistance rating was dropped / reduced to 60M (197 FEET static).


FYI -
Pressure testing is conducted under static conditions. According to the ISO 6425 standard, which governs diving watches, the water resistance test involves subjecting the watch to a static overpressure of 125% of its rated depth. For a watch rated at 200 feet (approximately 60.96 meters), this means it must withstand a static pressure equivalent to 250 feet (76.2 meters) of water depth during testing. This static test is performed in a pressure vessel and maintained for two hours, with additional steps including a reduction to 0.3 bar of negative pressure for one hour to simulate decompression. The static nature of this test ensures the watch's seals and construction can endure sustained pressure without failure, providing a safety margin for real-world diving conditions.




1966 / 67 OMEGA SWISS GERMAN catalogue
watches are paired with 0ST-1098 SS bracelet with 19MM ref.# 547 end links



OFFICIAL OMEGA WEBSITE
1966 SEAMASTER 120 automatic with date
dive depth rated @ 120 Meters (393.7FEET static)






1968 and 1969 models have a dive depth rating @ 60 meters (197FEET static)

1968 OMEGA Catalogue
SAFETY RED (orange?) SECONDS SWEEP PYLON / BATON
dive depth rating has been reduced to 60 meters (197 feet)


The Seamaster 120 also came with a safety RED (orange?) seconds sweep pylon as evidenced by an image from the 1968 Omega catalogue for the SEAMASTER 120 (below.)

OMEGA catalogue image -
the safety RED seconds sweep baton/pylon is exactly the same as the white colored baton/pylon.


There have been 120s' that have a SAFETY RED PYLON installed from an Omega Geneve Admiralty model it is an elongated triangular RED pylon/baton. This could be a sign of aftermarket modification such as a watch maker repair job - cannibalization for parts no longer in production, and or a franken watch.



OMEGA CORFAM straps both textured and Smooth



BEST FIT Swiss Tropic MOD DEP diver strap



Ladies version with a Green bezel



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OMEGA Seamaster 120 Skin Diver Case Ref.# - O026ST-135.027
mvmnt. Omega manual wind caliber 601 no date complication.


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Fantastic description on the Seamaster 120s hmmmcamu! Thanks for taking the time to provide that detail.

Here’s a few photos of my manual 120 (135.027) in almost new and unpolished condition. It came to me on a Tropic band with original Omega buckle. I believe both came with the watch when purchased in the 1960s. I removed the Tropic to preserve its unworn condition (it is next to the watch in the photo) and replaced it with a replica made by Uncle.

 
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1967
OMEGA SEAMASTER 120 SKIN DIVER
Single crown Omega branded EPSA case ref.# 135.027

with Omega branded stainless steel bracelet made by JB Champion USA ref.# 1098 No.11 and 19MM curved end links ref.# 547.



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Fantastic description on the Seamaster 120s hmmmcamu! Thanks for taking the time to provide that detail.

Here’s a few photos of my manual 120 (135.027) in almost new and unpolished condition. It came to me on a Tropic band with original Omega buckle. I believe both came with the watch when purchased in the 1960s. I removed the Tropic to preserve its unworn condition (it is next to the watch in the photo) and replaced it with a replica made by Uncle.


SEE PHOTOS below the case back for ref.# 135.027 should be ...
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Not only the text, also engraving seems to be deeper than what would be correct. Just as described in the OP of this thread
 
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Fantastic description on the Seamaster 120s hmmmcamu! Thanks for taking the time to provide that detail.

Here’s a few photos of my manual 120 (135.027) in almost new and unpolished condition. It came to me on a Tropic band with original Omega buckle. I believe both came with the watch when purchased in the 1960s. I removed the Tropic to preserve its unworn condition (it is next to the watch in the photo) and replaced it with a replica made by Uncle.

Your bezel is also off ...

The aluminum bezel inserts matte black coating stops short of of the edge and tapers at an angle to the serrated edges. Due to age and use most bezel will have this worn off

Here is a close up of some of the area on my bezel that has some of the tapered matte black coating still intact

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Interesting, to me it also seemed off but wasnt sure how to describe it. So the 'tooth' of the bezel should not have the coating?
 
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My dearly missed Omega next to an Omega Electronic 😢

 
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Interesting, to me it also seemed off but wasnt sure how to describe it. So the 'tooth' of the bezel should not have the coating?
THE SERRATED TIPS / TEETH were once coated black .... the black coating extends all the way to the serrated edges it does so at an angle / downward slope - towards it.

BUT due to constant contact with the fingers of the owner/user it eventually wears off. the black coating extends all the way to the serrated edges


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