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sathomasga
·Does anyone, by chance, recognize this movement? I don't have ready access to it at the moment, so the photo is all I have. Diameter is about 22mm, so maybe 10 lignes. Thanks in advance.
Movement ID: W inside circle on rotor
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AdamVT227
·looks like a very poor work on that logo .
do you have a photo of the front ?
do you have a photo of the front ?
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sathomasga
·It's an Ernest Borel
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AdamVT227
·TBH this reminds me the fakes from the east , except the dial doesn’t look that bad
are you considering buying it ?
are you considering buying it ?
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AdamVT227
·this is what came to my mind when looking at the case back but it's not the same .
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J!m
·Waltham perhaps. Maybe Wittenauer, but the latter seems less likely based on engraving quality.
Looks like a collection of old stock parts assembled with a sterile dial that had a name applied to me. Rotor may not even be native to the movement. I can't see any numbers on the movement- maybe someone can lighten it a lot and see if it is stamped under the balance wheel?
Looks like a collection of old stock parts assembled with a sterile dial that had a name applied to me. Rotor may not even be native to the movement. I can't see any numbers on the movement- maybe someone can lighten it a lot and see if it is stamped under the balance wheel?
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··Keeps his worms in a ball instead of a can.If it was made for Wyler or Wit, that era woould have a US import code on it...
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Geezer
·This is a movement made by A. Schild. Looks like a 5103/5153 or some derivative.
https://www.emmywatch.com/db/movement/a_schild--5103/
https://www.emmywatch.com/db/movement/a_schild--5103/
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J!m
·I thought it looked like an A S but I was relying on memory and that’s never a good idea…
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sathomasga
·This is a movement made by A. Schild. Looks like a 5103/5153 or some derivative.
https://www.emmywatch.com/db/movement/a_schild--5103/
I assumed Borel used ébauche movements from A. Schild or FHF, but couldn't find the exact one.
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sathomasga
·This forum is a tough crowd. Comments above notwithstanding, the watch is genuine and all original. It's a Borel reference 3181 from the mid-1970s with (thanks to @Geezer !) an A. Schild movement.
The watch is currently my wife's, and though it's certainly nothing fancy, it does come with a bit of a story. Although my wife is not super into watches, all four of her grandparents immigrated to the U.S. from Switzerland, and both of her grandfathers were professional watchmakers. A few years ago I was looking at a nice Omega Geneve and asked if she would like me to purchase it for her. She said that the watch looked nice but that she'd really rather have a vintage Ernest Borel. It turns out that she's related to the Borel family. Her immediate family is from Kansas City, home of Jules Borel & Co. The current Ernest Borel watch brand appears to be a Swiss front for a Chinese firm, so I assume the authentic company didn't survive the quartz crisis. Borel is probably most known for their cocktail watches, but occasionally a more traditional watch shows up on eBay or Chrono24. Alas, though, those tend to be in pretty rough shape. The watch in this thread is the first I was able to find in nice condition (essentially NOS).
So my wife now has the vintage watch she's always wanted, and it seems fair that if she has a new (to her) watch, I should be able to get a new (to me) one too.
The watch is currently my wife's, and though it's certainly nothing fancy, it does come with a bit of a story. Although my wife is not super into watches, all four of her grandparents immigrated to the U.S. from Switzerland, and both of her grandfathers were professional watchmakers. A few years ago I was looking at a nice Omega Geneve and asked if she would like me to purchase it for her. She said that the watch looked nice but that she'd really rather have a vintage Ernest Borel. It turns out that she's related to the Borel family. Her immediate family is from Kansas City, home of Jules Borel & Co. The current Ernest Borel watch brand appears to be a Swiss front for a Chinese firm, so I assume the authentic company didn't survive the quartz crisis. Borel is probably most known for their cocktail watches, but occasionally a more traditional watch shows up on eBay or Chrono24. Alas, though, those tend to be in pretty rough shape. The watch in this thread is the first I was able to find in nice condition (essentially NOS).
So my wife now has the vintage watch she's always wanted, and it seems fair that if she has a new (to her) watch, I should be able to get a new (to me) one too.
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JimInOz
··Melbourne AustraliaIt's not all Omega and Rolex here and it's nice to see some of the unknown (these days) brands that were big in their day.
A NOS example would outshine a beat up Omega any day.
A NOS example would outshine a beat up Omega any day.
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J!m
·Great story!
I'm glad to find out I was wrong in my assessment!
I'm glad to find out I was wrong in my assessment!
