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SurvivingJoe
·My REF 19038, the minute hand was relumed but I can live with it.
Movado M90/95 Thread
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bardamu
·Of course you can, gorgeous watch!
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SurvivingJoe
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Mark020
··not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawerDon't exactly know what you mean? I'd say that all 19038's have the same case (or did I miss something?)
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gilb12
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jantjewgm
·Twins!!
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SurvivingJoe
·Don't exactly know what you mean? I'd say that all 19038's have the same case (or did I miss something?)
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Mark020
··not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawerThink that is mostly polished vs not polished
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Mark020
··not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawerSee the three pictures from your post on Rescapement
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Mark020
··not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawerWord of warning on this one: https://www.artcurial.com/en/sales/IT6224/lots/113-a The case is not original (and made in Argentina)
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Mark020
··not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawerBest 19038 I've ever seen (and that says something). Textbook example. Asking EUR 8.900(!) https://www.watchpool24.com/en/30735881/movado-m95-chronograph-19038-borgel-case
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Mark020
··not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawer
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fizz
·Dealers have magic powers of price magnification.
Surprisingly, this rather desirable 35mm M95 appeared and was sold in a matter of hours on king of unpolished watches Eric Wind's site a few days ago for USD 19.9k which is think is sort of "fair" given his elite pedigree and stature in the watch world. I sort of kick myself for not thinking decisively enough but am also somewhat....relieved its gone.
https://www.windvintage.com/movado-breguet-numerals-chronograph-unpolished
Surprisingly, this rather desirable 35mm M95 appeared and was sold in a matter of hours on king of unpolished watches Eric Wind's site a few days ago for USD 19.9k which is think is sort of "fair" given his elite pedigree and stature in the watch world. I sort of kick myself for not thinking decisively enough but am also somewhat....relieved its gone.
https://www.windvintage.com/movado-breguet-numerals-chronograph-unpolished
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Mark020
··not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawerNice watch but no way a 20k one
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Mark020
··not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawer@fizz it could have been yours for USD 3.400 https://jones-horan.hibid.com/lot/77441-357416-26528/movado-m95-chronograph--ref-19038
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fizz
·Unfortunately, the vintage Movado world, both in terms of awareness and hype (largely manufactured, whch I'll get to in a second) has moved on quite a bit since 2022...
Also, it seems the days of small, boutique, obscure auction houses offering grails like this without the prying eyes of opportunistic dealers is now long gone. Online auctions are the new ebay of those who can play along. Dealers watch these online auctions like a hawk and nothing escapes them - there are aggregators and search engines that, if you invest enough time (and in some cases money), will find and alert you about anything, no matter how obscure.
The thing about vintage Movado (or UG, or any niche vintage brand/model is) that unlike modern watches which have a definite price list (AD retail price), a clear tracking of how these prices have risen over the years and a strong grey market "benchmark" to compare against, vintage pricing comes down to how much clout the dealer selling has to ask their price and how foolish one particular buyer is to pay this price (and trust me, I've been that guy paying!).
So TLDR of this is, I've missed the vintage Movado boat. Those prices will never be reached (unless, you know, force majeure....).
Also, it seems the days of small, boutique, obscure auction houses offering grails like this without the prying eyes of opportunistic dealers is now long gone. Online auctions are the new ebay of those who can play along. Dealers watch these online auctions like a hawk and nothing escapes them - there are aggregators and search engines that, if you invest enough time (and in some cases money), will find and alert you about anything, no matter how obscure.
The thing about vintage Movado (or UG, or any niche vintage brand/model is) that unlike modern watches which have a definite price list (AD retail price), a clear tracking of how these prices have risen over the years and a strong grey market "benchmark" to compare against, vintage pricing comes down to how much clout the dealer selling has to ask their price and how foolish one particular buyer is to pay this price (and trust me, I've been that guy paying!).
So TLDR of this is, I've missed the vintage Movado boat. Those prices will never be reached (unless, you know, force majeure....).
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Mark020
··not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawerInteresting and pricey (asking EUR 35k). Clearly a 19018 with a 19008 caseback. https://www.watchpool24.com/en/30735913/movado-m90-chronograph-19008-35mm
And this is not the only one:
And this is not the only one:
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minutenrohr
·Let's put it this way: there are also some dealers out there who really know their stuff when it comes to old and rare wristwatches...
I also take a look at the aforementioned website from time to time. As a native German speaker, I have often found some of the wording there to be somewhat vague. However, the fact that two different case types (the “Patek case” and the more Movado-typical case) supposedly have the same reference number is, of course, a questionable matter. Especially since a 19008 with the other, i.e., the “Patek” case, was offered on the same site some time ago.
Since I don't own the Movado book, I don't know if this strange numbering is explained there (for example, “It was normal in the 1930s and 1940s for Movado to randomly mount identical screw backs on different case types.”)
Probably not?
I also take a look at the aforementioned website from time to time. As a native German speaker, I have often found some of the wording there to be somewhat vague. However, the fact that two different case types (the “Patek case” and the more Movado-typical case) supposedly have the same reference number is, of course, a questionable matter. Especially since a 19008 with the other, i.e., the “Patek” case, was offered on the same site some time ago.
Since I don't own the Movado book, I don't know if this strange numbering is explained there (for example, “It was normal in the 1930s and 1940s for Movado to randomly mount identical screw backs on different case types.”)
Probably not?
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