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Mark II (cal 861): does this timegrapher run looks ok?

  1. valkyrie_rider Apr 19, 2019

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    Dear friends

    I'm about to buy a Mark II and as part of the due diligence, asked for a photo of the watch running in a timegrapher.

    Is this reading looking fine? It seems the amplitude is strong and the error low, the only apparent issue is that it seems to be running slow (-8s/d).

    Also please see below a blurry photo of the movement.

    Any comments? Anything potentially odd? The movement seems clean (no rust) and the gasket new, which points to a recent service.

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  2. Vercingetorix Spam Risk Apr 19, 2019

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    Lift angle should be set to 50 degrees not 52.
     
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  3. Dr No Apr 19, 2019

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    Ask for readings in the four common positions with the lift angle at the correct setting.

    My early Mk II had a movement number starting at 31M. This one seems to be 30M. It might be a very early example.

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  4. valkyrie_rider Apr 20, 2019

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    Another 2 photos of the movement.

    Anything wrong here?
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  5. valkyrie_rider Apr 20, 2019

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  6. valkyrie_rider Apr 20, 2019

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    The dial seems to be the original, but the tritium marks seem to have turned green. Is that expected?

    Hands and crystal seem to be service ones though...
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  7. Archer Omega Qualified Watchmaker Apr 20, 2019

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    Sure - a photo of a watch on a timing machine in one position, not knowing the state of wind, and with the wrong lift angle tells you nothing about the condition of the movement really.

    The hands also look like modern replacements to me...
     
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  8. valkyrie_rider Apr 20, 2019

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    I was asking about the movement... (anything missing, damaged, etc)
     
  9. Evitzee Apr 20, 2019

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    I have a 1972 MkII and my lume indices look nothing like that. I wonder if there has been a moisture problem in its past. All of the hands look like service replacements as previously mentioned. Absent any data on recent service work and the age of the piece I would be tucking away some dough for future overhaul.
     
  10. pascs Apr 20, 2019

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    I see an unattractive dial, new hands that dont match well with the dial and a movement which looks like it has seen a fair amount of interaction with a good number of scratches. Something feels off with the newness of the crystal but then there appears a fair amount of dirt around the pushers. For me I'd pass and wait for a nicer dial
     
  11. Evitzee Apr 20, 2019

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    Those large, flat mineral crystals scratched easily, not surprised that the crystal is a replacement. That's almost a given with these watches.
     
  12. Archer Omega Qualified Watchmaker Apr 20, 2019

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    Well, you asked for any comments...but anyway specifically on the movement then...

    The photos are crap, and honestly there's not much you can tell for sure, but this screw certainly looks odd.

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    Aside from that there is evidence of what might be moisture entering the case at some point...