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  1. Aedaxoo Jun 13, 2020

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    In light of my new marvin flying dutchman I thought I would make a new thread where these watches could all come together and we could see what dial variations go together with the serials. But first I should start with mine. One year ago the hunt started for me my specifications were "simple" I wanted one with an original crown and a black textured dial. It sounds easier than it is but after one year of hunting I stumbled across this in south africa. I sent the buyer an email and after a week I got an email saying he still had it and was willing to sell it. His pictures were not that good but i saw the dial and crown so i was sold. When it came in the mail i was just stunned. The watch was in barn find condition with cheese that we could also call vintage :confused:. I payed 250 euro for it. I have no idea what this is worth because I haven't seen a lot of these. My serial is 893029. Show yours and give some extra info. I think this watch deserves more attention. I hope you like mine. I think this model was launched in 1954 but I'm not sure.
    I hope this thread gets attention and we can shed light on these rare and beautiful watches.
     
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  2. bubba48 Jun 13, 2020

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  3. gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Jun 13, 2020

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    Here’s mine:

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    Not the greatest example. Cost about $200 and change several years ago.

    Serial number 56,XXX.
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  4. Aedaxoo Jun 15, 2020

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    those look great. I always thought the non radial dials were later but it looks like the serials look close. @gatorcpa do you mind saying how much you paid. I always like to get info on that.
     
  5. gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Jun 15, 2020

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    See update to my other post.
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  6. Aedaxoo Jun 15, 2020

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    Yes thank you. I think they represent great value fir the price. And the story alone is worth a thousand bucks to me.
     
  7. Vitezi Jun 15, 2020

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  8. Aedaxoo Jul 8, 2020

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    Yes the movements are lovely. Although i've found better finished one's. I don't know why they did that though.
     
  9. tyrantlizardrex C is NOT for "Lizard". Aug 21, 2020

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    Having spent a long time looking for one of these (6 years!) in the last few weeks, I have bought two.

    Both from the same seller in Israel.

    They are both stainless steel.

    The first is an Autodate - the rotor is stamped with 580CP (The C stands for date, I have read elsewhere that the P stands for Chronometer, but can find nothing to back this up).

    Including shipping I paid a little under £150 for it.

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    The second is an Automatic (with date) - the rotor is stamped 580C.

    It has an original magnifier crystal, and slightly different dial furniture at 12, 6, and 9 to that found on the Autodate.

    I believe that the tip of the sweep second hand may have been snapped off - will take a closer look when I have both watches in the same place to compare.

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    In my searching for a nice stainless steel Marving Flying Dutchman, I came across this non-date automatic version on a Croatian Forum (it is not mine, and sadly it is not for sale).

    Note that the rotor is stamped 580 (it's not a date or a chronometer).

    http://www.portalsatova.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=11681

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    Looking forward to learning more about these little Marvins!
     
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  10. Aedaxoo Aug 21, 2020

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    I will have to open up mine now. Maybe something to do with the movement finishing or a way of differenciating between adjusted and non adjusted movements
     
  11. tyrantlizardrex C is NOT for "Lizard". Aug 21, 2020

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    Possibly?

    Interesting to note the 580 non-date I posted above says that it is adjusted to 3 positions.

    The 580C in the Automatic date I have does not state that.

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    And the 580CP in the Autodate does.

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  12. tyrantlizardrex C is NOT for "Lizard". Aug 21, 2020

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    580C rotor currently on eBay - 3 Adjs.

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  13. gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Aug 21, 2020

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    Not sure about this either.

    Here is the Ranfft listing for the Marvin Cal. 580.

    http://www.ranfft.de/cgi-bin/bidfun-db.cgi?10&ranfft&2&2uswk&Marvin_580C

    No mention of 580CP.

    I think @Bill Sohne might know this one.
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  14. Aedaxoo Aug 21, 2020

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    I think c means date because all the c movements are dates. The p remains a mystery to me
     
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  15. Aedaxoo Aug 21, 2020

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    C probably stands for calendar or calendrier. But p. Perhaps précision ?
     
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  16. tyrantlizardrex C is NOT for "Lizard". Aug 21, 2020

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    It's a weird one for sure.

    It sounds like something that @Bill Sohne might have stashed away in the memory banks, doesn't it? :)

    I found another 580CP in another Marvin that looks a little later than the Flying Dutchman.

    https://www.splendidfinetimepieces.com/product-page/1960s-vintage-marvin-automatic-gent-s-watch

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  17. Marsimaxam Aug 21, 2020

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    See, this is why I enjoy reading and participating in forums. Never heard of Marvin Flying Dutchman watches. I Googled it and this is what I found for those others who also have never heard of the Marvin Brands.

    "Although Marvin may not be in your top 10 most recognizable watch brands, the company dates back to 1850 and has a very interesting story. They gained their reputation through the exceptional movement in their watches, but their success came in part from knowing how to adapt to changing trends. Their 170 plus years of experience in watchmaking means that they have perfected their technology and style and know how to produce top-quality luxury Swiss watches. Keep reading to find out why Marvin is worth investing in according to our experts.

    History Brothers Marc and Emmanuel Didisheim founded their company in 1850 and it grew rapidly. The name ‘Marvin’ didn’t come along until the start of the 20th century however. When they realized that ‘Albert Didisheim et Freres’ wouldn’t catch on in the American market; they adopted the name of one of their partners. They chose a 3-pointed crown as their logo, representing an inverted initial, ‘M’ for Marvin. In 1912 they became a manufacturer in their own right by producing all components in-house.

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    Making a Name for Themselves, Their initial fame came from their movements which were sought after by other watchmakers for use in their own products, but it didn’t stop there. Marvin quickly realized the value of marketing. After the second world war, they started to make use of sponsor-ships. Their enthusiasm for auto racing led them to sponsor many road and circuit races where they began to accumulate celebrity endorsements for their product as well. Marvin also has a unique signature on their watches: they use the color red at 8 o’clock. Whether that means that the number 8 is red or that there is simply a red stripe at the 8 o’clock mark depends on the model.

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    Innovations in the 1930s, Marvin created two special watches specifically designed for motorists. The first was the Tyre Watch. As the name indicates, the watch was housed in a rubber tire. With an added strap this watch makes the perfect keychain for a motor enthusiast. The second brilliant creation during this decade was the motorist watch. It was designed to be worn on the inside of the wrist so one could comfortably read the time while driving. Marvin eventually went on to produce watches for Ferrari, Jaguar and KLM. Anyone who could all appreciate their attention to quality.

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    Marvin partnered with KLM in 1955 and produced a watch they referred to as ‘The Flying Dutchman’ in honour of the long distance planes used by their new partnering airline. In addition to a name that evokes a sense of adventure, the official watch line itself boasts sleek and graceful lines. The wristwatch was designed for the pilots and a clip version, similar to the tyre watch in fact, was designed for stewardesses as both functional accessory and a conversation piece.



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    If you’re looking for a lesser known brand without compromising quality, we recommend adding a Marvin to your watch collection. There are over 100 models produced by Marvin, for both men and women."*
    * Source https://www.catawiki.com/stories/4263-the-fascinating-backstory-of-marvin-the-motorist-watch
     
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  18. tyrantlizardrex C is NOT for "Lizard". Aug 21, 2020

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  19. Marsimaxam Aug 21, 2020

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  20. tyrantlizardrex C is NOT for "Lizard". Aug 21, 2020

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    All good! :thumbsup: