Magnetism question

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Oh, I thought you were talking about the reissues from a few years back. Your watch is a vintage, but it's a pretty modern one. I had a 1966 Longines with the movement in exceptional quality, and it actually got magnetized once by just handling it. I kept opening the case to take some photos and whatnot. Although of mid-to-high tier quality, the watch was a ladies one, so the movement was smaller. When have you last serviced your watch ? I hope it hasn't been more than 3 years or so... I fear that the problem might be slightly different. Hope not.

I have not used one so far, planning on buying one. They are as simple as placing your watch on a special spot and pressing a button. Some electric current runs through some things that create some antimagnetic field or whatever, and it demagnetizes the watch. It's 100% safe so don't worry. (yeah, I think I just made you run away from it...)
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So your planning on buying one never used one but giving advice on how 100% safe they are. So a $10 China made demagnatiser is used by the likes of @Archer and @Horlogerie


Never happen to search the few threads over the years that say you get what you pay for and they are not that reliable. Also most with rather expensive watches pay the extra and get the cousins more expensive ones.
 
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I didn't say he should get the 10$. I just said they're as cheap as 10$. You shouldn't be so paranoid of something that is cheaper. Just because people sell overpriced stuff in the west because you people are more financially potent it doesn't mean that something cheaper is instantly crap.
It's a simple process that these gadgets use, not rocket science.
 
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Nothing to do with price. You are giving advice on something you are not experienced in.

Where is the comparison between the cheap and expensive. Have you done any? Do you have any experience with either ? Have you used one at all ?
What field strength do each use?

( as in life where is the science ) to back up what you are saying.
 
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Interesting and important information. Fair enough. I've seen people with modern thick watches use it though. To each his own...
 
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Like @Archer mentioned the cover has magnets. The iPad itself also has magnets to keep the cover closed. In the case of a watch, what often happens when magnetized is the spiral hairspring (part of the oscillator that makes a watch keep time) has its spirals touching each other and runs -much- faster. My wife's iPad Mini appears to have stronger magnets for the cover closer than the cover itself. I haven't had any problems though.

Good tutorial on magnetized watches.
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Read about the blue one below

http://www.ofrei.com/page_220.html

Any tool where they specifically tell you not to leave it plugged in is not a tool I'm going to buy...having seen wiring from some goods made where I suspect this one is made, they are not big on safety...

I actually use the Grobet/Vigor unit they show on the page - their part FB-119.

To put as simply as I can how demagnetizers work, we need some simple descriptions. You need to imagine that a piece of ferrous metal is made up of particles that all have +ve and -ve poles, so tiny little magnets. When particles all have their poles oriented in the same direction, the part is magnetized and creates a field that can attract ferrous metals. A demagnetizer works by randomizing the orientation of the poles in the particles inside the metal. This is done by using a strong alternating field to start the poles swinging inside the metal - ideally all in unison at first. Then as the field gets weaker, poles will stop flipping back and forth a little at a time, and when done they will all be randomly oriented. When that happens, the part is no longer magnetized.

There are 2 styles of demagnetizers you can buy. The one I use is an instantaneous style, you there is a capacitor that is discharged when you press the button, and it creates an alternating field that decays over time. You hold the watch above the unit, press the button, wait for the cap to recharge (couple of seconds) then do it a couple more times. The second type can be flat or tunnel shaped, and with that style you place the piece to be demagnetized in or on the unit, then press and hold the power button. You keep holding it while slowly moving the parts away from the field until you can't get it any further away (so the length of your arm) before letting go of the button. With this type, if used improperly, and you press and release the button with the piece still in the strong field, you will magnetize the part further, rather than demagnetizing it. The tunnel style typically have the strongest fields.

I would not recommend buying a demagnetizer that was not designed for watches - such as a bulk tape eraser or something. If the field is too strong, you can damage the watch by tangling up the balance spring.

You can detect magnetism with a test, but the compass test is often not done right. First you need to understand that a compass has a magnet in it, or it would not be drawn to magnetic North. So just putting a lump of metal on the table (watch) and putting a magnet near it, and saying because the needle moves the watch is magnetized...well that's not really the case. I don't know of many watchmakers who use this type of test anymore, but from some old timers who did use it they told me they would sit the very small compass over the balance and watch for the needle to move at the same rate as the balance was beating.

I typically use the timing machine and observation of the balance spring, but if you can find a Gauss meter that could also work. I have an old style one that I was given by my workplace when they upgraded...in the background here:



Oh, and since quartz watches have magnets in them (the rotor is a permanent magnet), subjecting them to strong magnetic fields is not a good idea.

Cheers, Al
 
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@dx009 - who the hell are you? Your posts have been brought to the moderators' attention. After reading through them, I'd like to know exactly what qualifications you have and where you got them. You seem to be trying to pass yourself off as some kind of expert yet you get called out often for giving wrong information.
 
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How am I trying to pass myself as an expert and what wrong information did I offer ?

Relax. Breath in, breath out. Don't shoot me just yet. 😀
 
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In this thread alone you're recommending a product you've never used. In the "Retirement Present to Myself" thread, you give advice on a watch that's wrong regarding it being a franken. Then you go on to incorrectly accuse the OP of being a dealer. To quote another moderator "knock off the crap!".
 
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I didn't say that watch is a franken. I said it's a redial or a reconditioned watch, which it is. Also, it seems you misinterpreted the fact that I wasn't talking to the OP, but someone who kept questioning OUR (not mine) opinions on the watch, which are correct.

And yes, I'm recommending a simple demagnetizer that most watch enthusiasts have around the house and recommend. I didn't ask someone to use a screwdriver to open a case back or pour oil in a watch movement to make it work again.

So I don't know what you want me to knock off since I'm being calm and talking nicely and not using any expletives.

But I'll mind my own business and be more careful with what I say from now on. Lesson learned. 😒
 
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For beginners there is a big problem in finding correct information helping them further into knowledge. This site is known and respected for its collective knowledge and the willingness to share it. I guess you being asked to be more careful in recommending and endorsing things/facts is a part of keeping things up to standard. Keep on posting and contributing - but as you write "be more careful" with topics if you do not have first hand experience. Tip - I often write - "to my knowledge based on..." or "my experience from X is... and based on...", etc if I am not an authority on the subject. This gives the reader a chance to evaluate my opinion.
 
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I'm typing this reply on my iPad (with magnetic cover) while wearing my Speedmaster, so using an iPad is not a problem. Keep in mind that distance from the magnet v field strength is not a linear one (inverse cube from memory...its been a while since I looked at this so don't quote me on that) so as long as you don't lay your watch right on top of the cover, I think you will be fine.

Cheers, Al
I once did put my speedmaster on the IPad cover over night and luckily nothing happened in terms of losing time accuracy. But it's good to hear advice from an expert, I'll never put my watch on the IPad cover again 😀
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Your AD should have a professional demagnetized. Had a problem with an older Ulysse Nardin and my former Omega AD passed it through the demagnetizer and the problem was corrected. No cost too.
 
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I'm normally pretty careful with my Speedy, particularly as it's the sapphire sandwich, so doesn't have the extra protection of the 'dust cover'. However, last year I was overseas, with new routines and other distractions. I noticed after a few days the watch was gaining around 45s a day. I suspected magnetism. Due to my location (I wasn't in a place I could get to any kind of watchmaker, never mind an Omega AD) I bought one of those 'cheap' demagnetisers. I must say, it worked a treat and the watch has never been so accurate!

I knew the processes and physics involved, however I probably was a bit naive to the dangers of DIY'ing it with such a piece of kit. I didn't really have any other option at the time though.
 
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The sensitivity to magnetization is relative to the particular watch model. My Longines and Breitling hate my work laptop. (Spinning magnetic hard drive creating - presumably - a toroidal field near my left hand) My Omega AT Master Co-axial 8500 doesn't care. My Seamaster Professional Co-axial 3330 doesn't care. My Longines is a Hydroconquest L633 (a modified ETA 2824-2) and my Breitling is a Colt B17 (a modified ETA 2824-2). I am conducting tests on watches as I wear them daily. It SEEMS my Macbook Pro (a late model without ANY disk drives, same as iPads) doesn't effect my watches. I can't prove it yet as both effected watches need to be absolutely demagnetized to establish a baseline. For this to happen, I have to learn to do it WELL myself. Until you avail yourself of real data, listen to heresay, but verify.