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Well I can tell you, not that it is of importance to this conversation. China is doing worse than we are. It’s literally a guess if things will make it to someone’s home in China. Some friends send me a bunch of PPE from China, they felt bad about this virus hitting us, took 4 months. I just figured they never sent it. Watches I send to China which use to take weeks are now taking months.
 
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In my opinion for the seller to not refund your money is totally unacceptable, unprofessional, and uncalled for
I feel the burden is always on the seller to make sure a package gets to where it should be. If it does not, he should refund your money and he should be filing the claim with USPS. If it finally arrives at your house he will easily find out because the package has tracking and then you could complete the transaction
Did you buy the watch on a reputable watch site?
 
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It sounds like the seller may not have opted for the insurance as the OP has suggested (penny wise pound foolish) hence his attitude.
I mentioned in another thread long ago- I had purchased a NOS 40 year old Flame grade Peterson pipe from a seller in England a few years ago (not a cheap pipe- and the seller insured it). After a month of it sitting at the a Baltimore depot I called USPS and started the inquiry- they said it was scanned there but never moved after and was lost. I let the seller know, he refunded my purchase and filed his claim- I didn’t hear anything else about it.
Almost exactly one year later I came home to a small box on my porch, it was the pipe. I assume it fell behind a cart or rack and they found and just threw it in the delivery pile. I contacted the seller and let him know and he told me just to keep it, he got his claim check. Win-win!
 
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In my opinion for the seller to not refund your money is totally unacceptable, unprofessional, and uncalled for
I feel the burden is always on the seller to make sure a package gets to where it should be. If it does not, he should refund your money and he should be filing the claim with USPS. If it finally arrives at your house he will easily find out because the package has tracking and then you could complete the transaction
Did you buy the watch on a reputable watch site?

WUS, which I know several of us also frequent - despite the lack of resolution I've already left feedback there, as I'm inclined at this point to think the seller will attempt to smear my reputation with his inane claim that I am somehow trying to scam him.

I completely agree on the burden being on the shipper, and I've always felt the same when selling a piece: it's MY responsibility to make sure it arrives or my buyer can get a refund - his downright refusal to even consider this, immediately calling me profane names, and the statement of ''my responsibility ended when I dropped the package off at USPS" (only slightly paraphrased) has me almost convinced he did not insure the item at all.

*Edited for typos.
 
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WUS, which I know several of us also frequent - despite the lack of resolution I've already left feedback there, as I'm inclined at this point to think the seller will attempt to smear my reputation with his inane claim that I am somehow trying to scam him.

I completely agree on the burden being on the shipper, and I've always felt the same when selling a piece: it's MY responsibility to make sure it arrives or my buyer can get a refund - his downright refusal to even consider this, immediately calling me profane names, and the statement of ''my responsibility ended when I dropped the package off at USPS" (only slightly paraphrased) has me almost convinced he did not insure the item at all.

*Edited for typos.
Yup- fυck him!
 
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WUS, which I know several of us also frequent - despite the lack of resolution I've already left feedback there, as I'm inclined at this point to think the seller will attempt to smear my reputation with his inane claim that I am somehow trying to scam him.

I completely agree on the burden being on the shipper, and I've always felt the same when selling a piece: it's MY responsibility to make sure it arrives or my buyer can get a refund - his downright refusal to even consider this, immediately calling me profane names, and the statement of ''my responsibility ended when I dropped the package off at USPS" (only slightly paraphrased) has me almost convinced he did not insure the item at all.

*Edited for typos.
Anytime I ship anything by USPS I scan the receipt showing time of mailing, the insured amount and the name/address to where it is going and I email the pdf to the buyer so he is aware that it is on its way. The problem is the seller has ZERO control once the package is consigned to the USPS. If the buyer becomes antsy after a particular period of time and starts agitating for a refund it puts the seller into a tough position, especially in these times when long delays have appeared. It's easy to say 'seller should immediately refund the money' when the parcel is most likely floating around the system and will eventually get delivered. Your original post said it had been three weeks, too short a time imo to start the wheels turning on a refund from the seller. These types of calls are not easy. Did you ask the seller for a scanned receipt to verify he sent it to the right place and if it had insurance coverage?
 
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Every mention of insurance has been dodged; he has only sent screenshots of the USPS updates, or lack thereof - raised a bad feeling to begin with, but I try to give all the benefit of a doubt.

I actually said (to the seller) I was willing to wait into January, and only suggested a plan of action if nothing was heard by then - it was not responded to at first, and then with direct, blunt hostility. I intend to pursue all possible avenues, particularly as this was simply a transaction from one U.S. citizen to another, but I recognize this could end up being one very expensive 'lesson learned'.
 
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Sorry to hear, I hope is insured properly. I received about 90 packages this year, mostly from overseas. Three went to limbo 5 weeks or so no updates, at the hub and boom they show up. The one lost, was 150 miles away. Delivered to the wrong address, reported by shipper and me. At least insured, never seen again.
They move so much mail, specially nowadays. That sooner or later, something will by willful negligence or just life.
 
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Doesn't sound like the seller is being totally honest with you as to the details of the shipping situation, especially him going nuts on you after you broached the subject of a path forward if the package doesn't arrive by next month. Some people try to cheap out and avoid insurance because most likely they won't need it and they can save the $20 or so. The seller will now try to weasel out of any responsibility. Good luck.
 
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Have not read through all the posts, but USPS is a mess currently. Hubs are at 15% to 65% capacity due to COVID and they are totally overwhelmed. Package may show-up, as they get through the massive backlog that exists currently with the holiday.

If item is lost, and seller is not acting responsibly, you may be able to file a claim with PayPal or your Credit Card (or both) if you went that route. By showing the tracking and proving the item has not arrived, should be pretty open and shut.
 
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In the current climate I would be willing to wait for up to 6-8 weeks before I started the lost package refund process. We are at around week 5 according to your first post on 12/9. I sent a letter to Canada the first week of November and the recipient has yet to receive it.
 
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I have to keep reminding myself that we are in incredibly unusual times. The lack of travel has people shipping everything- the USPS infrastructure wasn’t prepared for this volume. Yes, there were other political issues afoot prior to November, but this is a matter of a system overwhelmed and unable to keep up. I’m willing to bet (although happy to be proven wrong by someone with actual data) that the USPS is handling a volume far greater than UPS/FedEx combined in the US.
That said- the seller dealing with the OP sounds like a douche- an attitude like that would have me pushing a refund now.

I agree with you but still question how so many packages just seem to be sitting in one location for so long. Are there literally piles of packages across the country being ignored? We obviously aren't the only people with this issue. Something seems seriously wrong besides they're just backed up.
 
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I agree with you but still question how so many packages just seem to be sitting in one location for so long. Are there literally piles of packages across the country being ignored? We obviously aren't the only people with this issue. Something seems seriously wrong besides they're just backed up.
Typically the period from Thanksgiving to Christmas is crazy, the system is overloaded with mail and packages, although with fewer people sending Christmas cards and competition from FedEx/UPS/Amazon handling packages the volume probably is lower than in previous years. Throw in Covid disruptions and you could very well have packages backed up and waiting to be cleared through the system.
 
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Typically the period from Thanksgiving to Christmas is crazy, the system is overloaded with mail and packages, although with fewer people sending Christmas cards and competition from FedEx/UPS/Amazon handling packages the volume probably is lower than in previous years. Throw in Covid disruptions and you could very well have packages backed up and waiting to be cleared through the system.

COVID certainly could be having an effect on staffing. I work in a hospital and we are overwhelmed not only with patients but with sick staff. That slows things down.
The two packages I have coming to me that are "stuck" are of minimal value, so I am not as worried as those who may have an expensive watch delayed. USPS knew it was the holiday season and that COVID was prevalent. It's as if they didn't have a plan.
 
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hi @kip595

when you made the deal did the seller say he will insure it for full value ? We’re you charged for shipping and ins ? This should be asked during the process of the purchase ...

Be safe
Bill



Every mention of insurance has been dodged; he has only sent screenshots of the USPS updates, or lack thereof - raised a bad feeling to begin with, but I try to give all the benefit of a doubt.

I actually said (to the seller) I was willing to wait into January, and only suggested a plan of action if nothing was heard by then - it was not responded to at first, and then with direct, blunt hostility. I intend to pursue all possible avenues, particularly as this was simply a transaction from one U.S. citizen to another, but I recognize this could end up being one very expensive 'lesson learned'.
 
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hi @kip595

when you made the deal did the seller say he will insure it for full value ? We’re you charged for shipping and ins ? This should be asked during the process of the purchase ...

Be safe
Bill

Hi @Bill Sohne (Bill);

You bring up a great point, but one that has kind of bothered me since the beginning of the deal. Originally it was to be shipped fully insured via USPS Priority, standard stuff in our hobby - then he sent me a text saying the USPS couldn't verify my address - I didn't think anything of it, as I'm right on the city line and my zip code is good for both the main city here and my suburb, so I asked if he wanted me to just re-confirm it, he said yes, I did so, and thought it a completed issue.

Only after this was discussed did he mention something very vague about 'not worrying about full price insurance' and give a rather flimsy reason for it. By then the money had been transferred, so there was very little I could do or say w/o trying to shut the whole thing down - up to then, and really until this weekend, he had seemed perfectly polite and reasonable. My assumption at the time was that he had used a third-party insurer. I now have come to believe he completely skipped insurance, and likely the required signature he said he asked for, to speed up and cheapen the process on his end.
 
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Hi @Bill Sohne (Bill);

You bring up a great point, but one that has kind of bothered me since the beginning of the deal. Originally it was to be shipped fully insured via USPS Priority, standard stuff in our hobby - then he sent me a text saying the USPS couldn't verify my address - I didn't think anything of it, as I'm right on the city line and my zip code is good for both the main city here and my suburb, so I asked if he wanted me to just re-confirm it, he said yes, I did so, and thought it a completed issue.

Only after this was discussed did he mention something very vague about 'not worrying about full price insurance' and give a rather flimsy reason for it. By then the money had been transferred, so there was very little I could do or say w/o trying to shut the whole thing down - up to then, and really until this weekend, he had seemed perfectly polite and reasonable. My assumption at the time was that he had used a third-party insurer. I now have come to believe he completely skipped insurance, and likely the required signature he said he asked for, to speed up and cheapen the process on his end.

HI @kip595

First, I would ask for copy of the shipping receipt to see exactly what services were paid for...

secondly , how did you pay for this transaction?

best of luck
bill
 
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USPS insures up to a maximum of $5,000 and it’s not super cheap. For example a priority mail flat rate medium size box with $2500 insurance is $51.20. Without the insurance it’s $15.05

My guess is that he didn’t pay the insurance but I also still feel like your package will show up. Just when you’ve totally given up it’ll show up at your front door