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Lorologiese Medico-Compax

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I thought this might have been more in-keeping with the ebay thread but if anyone is considering this Medico-Compax for sale by Lorologiese (perhaps unlikely given the asking price)

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https://www.chrono24.co.uk/universa...0-steel-chronograph---cal-285--id15016647.htm,

ref 22420 3, serial no. 1634151 "fitted with its original dial in its original truly excellent, untouched condition" https://www.picuki.com/media/2299419468584838123, it was previously for sale looking like this:

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Bit naughty!
 
Larry S
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This is generally why from my early going, I avoided medico dials.
 
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Those numbers just looked way too big. And weird that they refinished the case, but left the case-back all scratched up.

I love collectors who keep track of sales like this. Well done.
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rustynuts rustynuts
I thought this might have been more in-keeping with the ebay thread but if anyone is considering this Medico-Compax for sale by Lorologiese (perhaps unlikely given the asking price)

universal-geneve-medico-compax-ref22420-steel-chronograph-cal-285.jpg universal-geneve-medico-compax-ref22420-steel-chronograph-cal-285 (1).jpg

https://www.chrono24.co.uk/universa...0-steel-chronograph---cal-285--id15016647.htm,

ref 22420 3, serial no. 1634151 "fitted with its original dial in its original truly excellent, untouched condition" https://www.picuki.com/media/2299419468584838123, it was previously for sale looking like this:

72777582_168265977587373_8368763791970469841_n.jpg 13086422b_xxl_v1575109581104.jpg

Bit naughty!

Great catch
 
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rustynuts rustynuts
Bit naughty!
More than a bit naughty - thats outright fraud.
Unfortunately they're not the only ones around that region that seem to do this...
 
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Fine to restore a watch.. To call this untouched and all original I agree is outright fraud
 
Larry S
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This is not some pop up dealer. They should know better.
 
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Fine to restore a watch.. To call this untouched and all original I agree is outright fraud
I think the dial was changed not restored.
 
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The Orologiese is a well known "impiastrone". Ensure you do your homework !...
 
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Or both? 😀
To restore the dial you need to paint over the old dial and that usually wipes out the concentric circles in the subdial as well as blur the subdial edges.

Also the huge fonts for the pulsometer are not wrong.
 
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the dial looks fine it's just a different one.

Take a look at the registers ...

Differences in layout
Round three on second runner
Badly printed 5 on minute register
The pulsation print looks so busy when compared to original ...

Smells of a redial or call it a restored ail !
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Diabolik Diabolik
Take a look at the registers ...

Differences in layout
Round three on second runner
Badly printed 5 on minute register
The pulsation print looks so busy when compared to original ...

Smells of a redial or call it a restored ail !

Here's two other examples from private sales section here on OF. Round 3s in seconds subdial and pulsations scale looks the same to me.
 
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Diabolik Diabolik
Take a look at the registers ...

Differences in layout
Round three on second runner
Badly printed 5 on minute register
The pulsation print looks so busy when compared to original ...

Smells of a redial or call it a restored ail !
Not restored, those are genuine medico dials (just that in the case of OP it was replaced).
 
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Here's two other examples from private sales section here on OF. Round 3s in seconds subdial and pulsations scale looks the same to me.

Those are very early medico dials you show. Different colors. It could be that they were used as a template for the "restore" as the finished product is different and does not have much in common with the original dial.
 
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The word Pulsations on the "clean" Lorologiese dial finishes at the centre of the arabic 12 hour numerals. The same word on the "dirty" dial finishes approx midway between 11 and 12. The 22420 model in Sala's book, on the archive page, also ends midway between 11 and 12. In French language in all 3 examples I refer to.
 
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The word Pulsations on the "clean" Lorologiese dial finishes at the centre of the arabic 12 hour numerals. The same word on the "dirty" dial finishes approx midway between 11 and 12. The 22420 model in Sala's book, on the archive page, also ends midway between 11 and 12. In French language in all 3 examples I refer to.
Bgrisso second sample also show pulsation ending at 12.
 
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Those are very early medico dials you show. Different colors. It could be that they were used as a template for the "restore" as the finished product is different and does not have much in common with the original dial.

I'm no expert on Medicos, but I see many small idiosyncrasies consistently in the dial printing that suggest the same cliches are being used across these dial examples.
 
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Bgrisso second sample also show pulsation ending at 12.
Bgrisso's is a different dial design whereas we're talking about 3 watches with the same design - Lorologiese clean & dirty, and Sala. Nonetheless there are differences between the 2 Lorologiese dials, the placement of "Pulsations" being an obvious one.

I raised the 22420 dial in Sala's book on the assumption it would carry some weight as a reference guide. I'm not suggesting the clean Lorologiese is a redial but the difference is noteworthy. It's a question for the UG experts here whether it is usual to see such variations in the same dial? I'm trying to learn something.
 
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