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padders
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I don't like that at all. That kind of card was last used around 2002 (the newer ones are bright red), the box and manual design was current around 2005 and the watch serial 57.9m puts the date of manufacture at somewhere in the late 1990s, around 1998-99 would be my guess (perhaps where the AD you spoke to got their date from). Even if the box set isn't fake, that is very much a put together set IMO and the date on the card can only be true if that watch sat in a jewellers safe for over 15 years. The hangtag, card and watch look concurrent but the rest looks added on. If it was sold as a recent model it is decieitful to say the least, if it wasn't serviced when sold it will almost certainly need one by now. I for one would not now trust this seller as there is no way this set adds up. It is a late 1990s watch dressed up as something nearly new.
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dennisthemenace
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The date on the card is confusing everyone because some Asian countries use different calendars to the rest of the world.
Here's a pic of a card for a Gemini IV originally from Japan.
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That's where my head is at on this as a "complete set" @padders

@dennisthemenace got that, was just curious to see 2014 written in on a card of this type, for a watch of this age.

My overall feel is that if the watch is good, the OP is happy, the price he paid is fair... the other bits really don't matter all that much. 馃憤
 
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After a quick google search, the Japanese have been using the Heisei era calendar since 1989 and 14 equates to 2002.
 
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dennisthemenace dennisthemenace
After a quick google search, the Japanese have been using the Heisei era calendar since 1989 and 14 equates to 2002.
Nice catch on the date! 馃榾 2002 makes much more sense than 2014! Maybe the boxes and cardholder are original to the watch because the book is from 2002 as well and I believe that the hardcover books only came with the white cardholder and the newer boxes (silver logo on top, instead of gold), but then again it could just be a coincidence.
 
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Here are two watches similar to mine that the seller is currently selling on eBay. Did Omega stop selling these small white booklets with the watches in 2002? The one watch says it was purchased in 2000 and the other looks like either 1999, or 12, which converts to 2000 on the Japanese Calendar.
 
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dennisthemenace
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Like others have said, enjoy the watch and don't worry about the boxes, they always end up in the cupboard sooner or later.
Ignore the jibes about servicing costs too.
 
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Like others have said, enjoy the watch and don't worry about the boxes, they always end up in the cupboard sooner or later.
Ignore the jibes about servicing costs too.
Will do! 馃榾 I'm planning on having it serviced in the near future by Govberg Jewelers. Or would you recommend that I have it serviced by Omega?
 
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Will do! 馃榾 I'm planning on having it serviced in the near future by Govberg Jewelers. Or would you recommend that I have it serviced by Omega?

My guess is that most people will tell you to avoid Omega service, if you can find a trusted repair service.

People on the forum can give you a recommendation depending on where you live.
 
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My guess is that most people will tell you to avoid Omega service, if you can find a trusted repair service.

People on the forum can give you a recommendation depending on where you live.
Personally, although it's more expensive, on these non-vintage watches, I would go with Omega.
 
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Personally, although it's more expensive, on these non-vintage watches, I would go with Omega.

For my own education, why is this preferred?
 
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dennisthemenace dennisthemenace
After a quick google search, the Japanese have been using the Heisei era calendar since 1989 and 14 equates to 2002.

馃憤

I remembered that last night, no sense repeating your explanation.

As to servicing by Omega.

The modular construction and other intricacies of the movement puts a lot of watchmakers off and finding one competent enough and willing enough to do the work can be difficult.

Omega will accept the watch and service it IAW their standards and provide a warranty on their work. Not being a vintage watch, there is no reason to be scared of Omega replacing "vintage" parts with service items thus reducing the value and appeal of a vintage watch.

I think Omega also service this caliber by a simple swap out with a freshly serviced movement.
 
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馃憤

I remembered that last night, no sense repeating your explanation.

As to servicing by Omega.

The modular construction and other intricacies of the movement puts a lot of watchmakers off and finding one competent enough and willing enough to do the work can be difficult.

Omega will accept the watch and service it IAW their standards and provide a warranty on their work. Not being a vintage watch, there is no reason to be scared of Omega replacing "vintage" parts with service items thus reducing the value and appeal of a vintage watch.

I think Omega also service this caliber by a simple swap out with a freshly serviced movement.
I was actually thinking about sending it to Omega when the time comes for a service. Although, Govberg Jewelers, an authorized Omega dealer with Swiss-trained, in-house watchmakers is much closer to me. Would you still recommend going with Omega though?

https://www.govbergwatchrepair.com/watch-brands-we-repair/omega-watch-repair/
 
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paperpelican paperpelican
I was actually thinking about sending it to Omega when the time comes for a service. Although, Govberg Jewelers, an authorized Omega dealer with Swiss-trained, in-house watchmakers is much closer to me. Would you still recommend going with Omega though?

https://www.govbergwatchrepair.com/watch-brands-we-repair/omega-watch-repair/

If you are close to Govberg you can get a quote and then compare with Omega as they have their prices on the Omega website.

https://www.omegawatches.com/customer-service/interventions-and-prices

It's a coin toss I'd guess.
 
padders
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Well that does rather put a different slant on it. I am still rather surprised to see the 1990s style beige card with the 2000s era hardback book box set, I thought that those were bought in with the red cards. This suggests that there may still have been a replacement box at some point perhaps but as long as the seller didn't make any claims about the watch date being 2014 then I guess it is is up to the buyer to do their homework and realise that the Japanese dates aren't always Gregorian ( according to Wiki they use both systems). I certainly hadn't factored that in. I may still have minor reservations about the card/box mix but certainly withdraw my mistrust of the seller, 2002 as a card date makes much more sense. All the more reason to see how healthy the watch actually is as a service may be long overdue.
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JimInOz
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WRT the extra stuff with the watch.

It's obvious that this seller has great access to inventory (watches and watch stuff) and they always try to present a full package to the buyer.
As we know, many boxes are lost or dumped by users and when they sell on and Saba may use spare inventory to make up the package.

I see nothing wrong with this as I haven't seen "with original box and papers" in his past ads, unless it was an obvious "full set".

Bottom line. Most of us collect watches, not boxes and papers. But the right ones are a bonus, if not all that important.
 
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