looking for case cover of Omega Constellation pie pan 2852 -1

Zayn A. · Mar 11, 2022

Hello my friends
I am looking for Omega 2852-1 back case cover. My cover has some heat cosmetic damage from the inside from previous owner but still looking great from outside however this makes me feel uncomfortable knowing about it. do you think this issue is not important and i should stop looking for another cover?

nicks · Mar 11, 2022

The medallion on your case back looks quite good compared to many where polishing has blurred the stars and observatory.

I’d personally be inclined to keep it and not worry. Maybe keep an eye out just in case one pops up somewhere.

seekingseaquest · Mar 11, 2022

The medallion was replaced - this medallion style is from a later Constellation. It may even be a reproduction and possibly not even gold, but who knows. Either way, this would be enough for me to want to replace it. Check eBay.

Also, maybe you know this but want to mention it in case you don’t - your watch has other issues too. Repainted dial, wrong crown, and I think the hands are incorrect too (should be faceted).

MtV · Mar 11, 2022

edit: @seekingseaquest beat me to it, so basically what I'm saying is: +1.

Hi Zayn,

these do pop up on eBay every now and then, I think there one currently online, but for a hefty asking price (>300€ if I remember correctly). With a bit of patience you can certainly source one for less than that, but it might take a couple of month of regularly checking the platforms.

In the end, you'll have to decide for yourself if this issue bothers you. Hoping you'll pardon my frankness, but since you asked for opinions: Personally, I'd leave it as is, as there are a couple of things non-original on the watch (a brickwork-medallion belongs to an 18k 2852/2853, this one might even be from a later 60s example, if it's original, steel 2852s didn't have the brickwork; dial has been refinished by the looks of it, crown and hands seem to be replacements). So this issue, which isn't even visible on the wrist, wouldn't bother me too much on this particular example. Wear it, enjoy it, and welcome aboard. 😀

seekingseaquest · Mar 11, 2022

MtV
edit: @seekingseaquest beat me to it, so basically what I'm saying is: +1.

Hi Zayn,

these do pop up on eBay every now and then, I think there one currently online, but for a hefty asking price (>300€ if I remember correctly). With a bit of patience you can certainly source one for less than that, but it might take a couple of month of regularly checking the platforms.

In the end, you'll have to decide for yourself if this issue bothers you. Hoping you'll pardon my frankness, but since you asked for opinions: Personally, I'd leave it as is, as there are a couple of things non-original on the watch (a brickwork-medallion belongs to an 18k 2852/2853, this one might even be from a later 60s example, if it's original, steel 2852s didn't have the brickwork; dial has been refinished by the looks of it, crown and hands seem to be replacements). So this issue, which isn't even visible on the wrist, wouldn't bother me too much on this particular example. Wear it, enjoy it, and welcome aboard. 😀

The speed gained from skipping all the niceties 🤔

Zayn A. · Mar 11, 2022

Many thanks my friends
this is all in all great information from the experts ☺️
at this shape and condition (changed medallion, refinished dial, replaced crown and hands) what would be the value of this 2852 pie pan omega?

The previous owner swore this watch id untouched with all original parts ‍♂️

MtV · Mar 11, 2022

We've had numerous discussions about what "value" is. If value to you is "whatever an uninformed buyer might pay if I don't disclose the faults" (I'm not saying that's your approach!), it'll probably be 1200€ or so on eBay. Realistically, to collectors, especially the redial has removed most of it's value, which leaves you with whatever the parts are worth. For a movement and a case without the correct caseback that'll be a few hundred Euros.

Sorry for the bad news, but it's 100% not untouched. The hands and crown might be Omega parts, but they don't belong on this watch. The dial is likely also an Omega part, but it has been incorrectly restored (note, for example, that 2852s dont exist with sunburst finish, this was introduced later). And the caseback also didnt exist like this, as mentioned above. Have you only bought it recently, maybe even from a dealer, so there's a chance of returning it?

MtV · Mar 11, 2022

In case you’re curious, the original crown would’ve looked like one of those two examples. “Decagonal” on the left, “clover” on the right.

gatorcpa · Mar 11, 2022

The medallion used here is considerably larger than an original one from a real Ref. 2852 caseback.

What it looks like it that someone cut out the middle of your caseback to accommodate the larger medallion and then welded it all back together again. They then heavily polished the outside of the caseback to remove the welding seam, in the process, they removed the incuse “Constellation” engraving normally found on the reference.

You can see evidence of the weld on the inside of the caseback.

This renders the entire watch uncollectible. If this was a recent purchase, I would try to return. Somehow, I don’t think that’s an option here.

Sorry for the bad news.
gatorcpa

gbesq · Mar 11, 2022

Hello Zayn and welcome to OF. If the previous owner represented to you that the watch was untouched and all original, then clearly he misrepresented the facts to you. If you have his representations in writing from an email or the original listing, you might have a very good case for returning the watch for a refund especially if you purchased it on a platform that offers some buyer protection like eBay.

Zapatta · Mar 11, 2022

Hi Zayn, can you show me watch in your profile picture? I've never seen anything like that.😀

Zayn A. · Mar 12, 2022

Thank you my friend for the support
That's why I'm in love with the Omega community
You will know that someone is holding your back
I end up returning that pie pan because I will feel really bad to keep it. I'm a person who can fall in love with pie pan omegas so easily and jump into the deal before doing enough research but now I know I have a new family in here.

I'm now looking into new one with a ref. no. 14393-61-sc. it seems a better option than the one before and also I can tell the crown is replaced and probably the dial is redone but in a nice way and yes please give me all the comments you can make about it ☺️

Caliber561 · Mar 12, 2022

Zayn A.
Thank you my friend for the support
That's why I'm in love with the Omega community
You will know that someone is holding your back
I end up returning that pie pan because I will feel really bad to keep it. I'm a person who can fall in love with pie pan omegas so easily and jump into the deal before doing enough research but now I know I have a new family in here.

I'm now looking into new one with a ref. no. 14393-61-sc. it seems a better option than the one before and also I can tell the crown is replaced and probably the dial is redone but in a nice way and yes please give me all the comments you can make about it ☺️

Dial looks original to me.

MtV · Mar 12, 2022

Zayn A.
I end up returning that pie pan because I will feel really bad to keep it.

That was quick, good to hear it was possible and the seller responded understandingly, apparently.

The dial of the 14393 is original, I’d want further pictures in natural light and without an angle though. My suspicion is that the patina on the outter ring of the pie pan dial might look much less pleasing / even than the one pic wants to make us believe.

Have you heard of Desmond’s blog? You might want to read through there and compare examples with ones you find here. Learn how to spot the good ones, then start the hunt. It’ll reduce the odds of getting burned massively.

http://omega-constellation-collectors.blogspot.com/?m=1

Zayn A. · Mar 12, 2022

Zapatta
Hi Zayn, can you show me watch in your profile picture? I've never seen anything like that.😀

gatorcpa · Mar 12, 2022

Another fantasy redial, I’m afraid. 🙁
gatorcpa

MtV · Mar 12, 2022

Is it from the same seller, by any chance?

Peemacgee · Mar 13, 2022

gatorcpa
Another fantasy redial, I’m afraid. 🙁
gatorcpa

I think someone has taken the later 168.025 dials as inspiration.
( pics from the net)

looking for case cover of Omega Constellation pie pan 2852 -1

Zayn A.

nicks

seekingseaquest

MtV

seekingseaquest

Zayn A.

MtV

MtV

gatorcpa

gbesq

Zapatta

Zayn A.

Caliber561

MtV

Zayn A.

gatorcpa

MtV

Peemacgee

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