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Longines 30CH /530 numbering

  1. minutenrohr Apr 17, 2019

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    Hi,
    me and a friend, we both have Longines 30CH Chronographs with cal. 530 (the late and less fine decorated 30CH). The movement numbers of both watches seem to begin with "0116" (Ref. 7415, Nr. 0116100, Ref. 5967 Nr. 0116601). After asking for an extract of the archives, Longines told us that there should be also a "5" before the "0" - so the numbers should be 50116100 and 50116601.
    My question is, if anybody here has ever seen personally this five below the lever. As my watches are not at home, I only can show pics already made. Searching via Google for Longines 530 auctions I found some:

    https://www.christies.com/lotfinder...teel-flyback-chronograph-6146521-details.aspx

    http://www.sothebys.com/fr/auctions/ecatalogue/2018/fine-timepieces-online-ge1811/lot.60.html

    https://www.phillips.com/detail/LONGINES/CH080117/188

    https://www.ancienne.es/en/longines-diving-chronograph-7981-3-01637/

    Thank you and regards - H.-U.
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  2. ConElPueblo Apr 17, 2019

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  3. minutenrohr Apr 18, 2019

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    Thank you. But I cannot read the movement number...
     
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  5. minutenrohr Apr 19, 2019

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    My "Nonius" - with 50.xxx xxx movement number and 15.xxx xxx on the case:
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  6. minutenrohr Apr 25, 2019

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    That´s what Longines replied on my Question concerning the 50.xxx xxx movement numbers:

    For both pocket watches and wristwatches, the serial numbers

    have always been engraved on the movement and usually on the

    case as well. At the end of the 1960s, when production soared,

    some criticised the complicated and time-consuming method of

    numbering the watches. Despite all opposition, the management

    decided to keep it. It’s a good thing they did! Initially, the plan

    was to continue numbering the cases and stop numbering the

    movements. Discussions at the time highlighted “the problem of

    counterfeit goods, the requirements of the warranty certificate

    and the demands of certain customers”.1 The decision was taken

    to continue numbering both the cases and movements, but to

    abandon the concept of duplicate numbering: the two numbers

    would now be separate.

    It was decided that the consecutive numbering would now appear

    on the cases. This meant that the case number became decisive

    and continued the numbering first used in 1867 (which had then

    reached 15,000,000). Nonetheless, to ensure the authenticity

    of each piece, movements continued to be numbered. Numbering

    of the movements began arbitrarily at 50,000,000. Most

    probably, in an excess of pessimism, the then directors felt that

    the company would never reach 50 million watches. Given that

    just 15 million watches were created in 102 years (1867 – 1969),

    the company directors may have thought there would never be

    a watch with the serial number 50’000’000 (which would have

    been in 2207 if production had continued at a constant rate).

    The number 50’000’000 appeared on a Longines movement on

    10 February. They did not anticipate the increase in production

    that means that we are now approaching the 50 million mark.

    And so since 1969, many watches have been engraved with a

    consecutive serial number (15, 16 million, etc.) on the case and

    another number (50, 51 million, etc.) on the movement. Regardless,

    both numbers are recorded in the Longines archives.

    Even after this system had been implemented, it continued to be

    debated in the management’s meetings. In 1970, some made

    a fresh attempt to request that the numbering system be abandoned.

    General manager Ahlès decided: “Changing our business

    policy is out of the question.” On a side note, he closed the

    meeting by confirming that “we will not be buying a computer

    for now”.

    The parallel and independent system of numbering movements

    and cases met the company’s production needs up until 1988,

    when the last two manufacturing centres at Saint-Imier, the

    assembly and casing workshops, moved to Bienne and Granges.

    At the Société suisse de microélectronique et d’horlogerie (SMH),

    later renamed Swatch Group, Longines movements were then

    produced by ETA. The last serial number on a movement from

    the Longines factory is 58’051’000.
     
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  7. DirtyDozen12 Thanks, mystery donor! Apr 25, 2019

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    Thank you for your research and relaying this very useful information!

    Edit: I now recall that this information is in Stéphanie Lachat's book, Le Temps Longines.
     
    Edited Apr 25, 2019
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