Longines 12.68z Calatrava Help

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Jfullm42

·Jan 21, 2020

Hey OF

My buddy picked up this watch and sent me a text, I said when you want to let it go let me know... a week later I am now the owner of this Longines 😀

I've posted a little about it on IG and I had someone reach out who was curious about if the dial was redone or not.
I'll be completely honest, I know little to nothing about the value or the watch, I just asked my buddy what he wanted for it and decided to take a gamble as I loved the look.

From what I gather it is a 1940's Calatrava straight lugs 35mm with correct fixed spring bars.
I opened it up and the movement and inside of the caseback look correct.

I emailed Longines last night to request more information based on the serial number, but the dial... what are your thoughts?

Also I am aware that I sell watches, but this one is not for sale and I am not trying to drum up any business on it 😀

Thanks for any help

 

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Radiumpassion

·Jan 21, 2020

If you wanted an opinion on the dial, I think it is a redial. But still a cool watch😀

 

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fbf

·Jan 21, 2020

redial for sure . love salmon dials...wish i can find a real one

 

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Tony C.

·Jan 21, 2020·Ωf Jury member

Definitely a redial.

 

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Dan S

·Jan 21, 2020

The sub-dial is the clear giveaway for me.

 

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Rumar89

·Jan 21, 2020

Dan S

The sub-dial is the clear giveaway for me.

That and the E running into the S in the signature. I’ve also never seen one of these with a Swiss signature on the dial.

 

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Jfullm42

·Jan 21, 2020

Gotcha, well thanks guys. I was kinda suspect to that, but darn lol.
Appreciate the feedback!

 

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JimInOz

·Jan 21, 2020·Melbourne Australia

Calatrava?

🙄

 

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Jfullm42

·Jan 21, 2020

JimInOz

Calatrava?

🙄

Forgive me, but is that not what guys post these as? At least that’s what I’ve seen on other sites and on forums 12.68z calatrava. Sorry I’m a newbie to these old Longines lol

 

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JimInOz

·Jan 21, 2020·Melbourne Australia

Jfullm42

Forgive me, but is that not what guys post these as? At least that’s what I’ve seen on other sites and on forums 12.68z calatrava. Sorry I’m a newbie to these old Longines lol

It's OK. An in joke from days gone by.
Thank your lucky stars that the Squirrel has retired from our forum.
The only "Calatrava" design was by Patek Phillipe in the 1930s, and continued by them as a line of dress watches.
Other brands could be referred to as "calatrava style".

 

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Jfullm42

·Jan 21, 2020

JimInOz

It's OK. An in joke from days gone by.
Thank your lucky stars that the Squirrel has retired from our forum.
The only "Calatrava" design was by Patek Phillipe in the 1930s, and continued by them as a line of dress watches.
Other brands could be referred to as "calatrava style".

Ah gotcha, ya it kinda made me laugh that people associated it as a calatrava as well, but the "style" makes more sense 😀

 

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BlueHands

·Jan 22, 2020

I think, crown and seconds-hand are also not original, beside the dial for sure.

 

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Syrte

·Jan 23, 2020

Actually, and as a repented proponent of the moniker “calatrava” for non Patek watches, this is one clear instance where I find it totally misplaced.
IMHO this is not even calatrava style. Where have you seen a Calatrava with a completely circular case with vertical sides that’s like a cut tube, and straight lugs?
The Italians once called it “barrel case” (barreletto), which was also inadequately and lazily translated as “coin edge”- another much abused word.

Maybe we should do some sort of on line terminology memo or something.... I think one exists somewhere which deserves an update.

sorry to OP for the thread drift, others have already replied to the main question.

 

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Syrte

·Jan 29, 2020

“Cassa a barilletto” posted on Orologi e Passioni by a well known Italian collector of Longines. Credit @Britishshorthair.
The picture is no longer apparent on the forum when you click but it’s been retained by some cache in the Google image search, and the caption refers to a cassa a barilleto with salmon dial

Edited: Jan 29, 2020

 

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bubba48

·Jan 29, 2020

This is the so called "cassa a bariletto" in profile

 

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vacheroyale

·Feb 3, 2020

even though is a redial , it's still a nice looking watch. case is very nice with that straight shaped cylinder. If price is reasonable, why not. buy it and wear it. it's an elegant longines. and when you wear it in public...hardly you will find a watch expert that might criticize the dial😀