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So what are the better lubricants then ?

Like their better super steel that isn't really that better than the steel they make wine vats from but just polishes a bit better and isn't that super. I can buy it at a knife making supply shop for $12-30aud for a 30cm slab that would make 5 cases if I had a CNC
 
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Have they also extended the warranty period?

Warranty on the watches is now 5 years., The warranty after a service is still the same - 2 years...

Have they refined their movements and lubricants to withstand 10 years of constant use without service?

No.
 
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Gotcha- so this applies then to only new Rolex’s and they haven’t changed their service standards for anything older than the current movements?
Don't know. I'd expect so, but best to ask Rolex.
 
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Don't know. I'd expect so, but best to ask Rolex.

Might be best to ask their marketing dept as it’s got more staff than any other dept ::stirthepot::
 
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Warranty on the watches is now 5 years., The warranty after a service is still the same - 2 years...



No.
Now I’ve got it- so a new buyer assumes their watch is good for 10 years, at year 8 it leaks water in the pool and screws everything up, then they bring it into Rolex (since they shut down nearly every independent parts account) and get nailed with an out of warranty service...sound like a brilliant strategy to me!
 
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In theory, if you are taking your Rolex in for service every 5 years as recommended (to either the AD or a certified independent Rolex service provider), replacement of crown and rear seals, followed by a pressure test is part of the service. The seals once tested should last the entire 5 years unless subjected to extreme conditions.
It was 5 years before, but at Bucherer they also said the recommended time now is 10 years. What makes me suspicious is if the impermeability can hold 10 years without changing the seals. In TRF I read that they use other materials now for the seals, no natural materials like before, so they last longer. The same question goes for Omega. My PO 8900 is new generation, how long is the water resistance supposed to last without changing all necessary parts?
 
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Might be best to ask their marketing dept as it’s got more staff than any other dept ::stirthepot::
That was exactly my point. Decisions about construction and maintenance being made by marketing folks and business exec’s -not engineers.
 
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Like their better super steel that isn't really that better than the steel they make wine vats from but just polishes a bit better and isn't that super. I can buy it at a knife making supply shop for $12-30aud for a 30cm slab that would make 5 cases if I had a CNC

Years ago when they first started making automatic pistols out of stainless steel the owners found that after awhile the slides and frames began to "gall". Turned out that even with the best lubricants when two parts were made from the same stainless steel the surfaces adhered under pressure and caused many times the normal amount of friction. The surfaces didn't wear away as regular steels would but they began to show a rough lumpy appearance.
After many attempts to solve this with new space age lubricants they found the only sure cure was to make these parts from different alloys of stainless steel. The micro crystalline structures of the surfaces being dissimilar they rode over each other with little friction.
Another problem they had was in manufacturing. Cutting heads that worked fine on regular steels would often dig into a stainless steel surface and chatter. They learned to change the angles of the edges and such.
A related phenomena was first discovered in the 1840's by target shooters. They found that brand new highly finished rifle bores gave less velocity and more variation in velocity than older "seasoned" bores.
The microscopic pits of a well used bore held lubricants which gelled and under high pressures acted like semi liquid ball bearings.
Some makers of custom gun barrels use a process that creates a similar surface on their newly made barrels.
When rebuilding an automobile engine a tool is used to roughen the walls of cylinders in a cross hatched pattern. A smooth cylinder wall can't hold lubricants under pressure.
I can't give you a direct correlation between these mechanisms and a watch movement but its something to be considered.
 
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I find that interesting. Have they also extended the warranty period? Have they refined their movements and lubricants to withstand 10 years of constant use without service? Or is that a marketing strategy so the AD’s can tell a buyer that their watches don’t need service as often? It sounds similar to when some German car makers started offering included service plans with their cars at the point of sale and magically the service intervals went up and some fluids became “lifetime fill”.
 
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Panerai has recently released a watch with a 70 year warranty :

https://www.ablogtowatch.com/70-yea...arbotech-new-fibratech-with-70-year-warranty/

What is your opinion on this @Archer ?

They will likely lose money on these, but given the small number of watches being made, the cost of keeping all of these running over the life of the watch would be a drop in the bucket compared to most brands marketing budgets.
 
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They will likely lose money on these, but given the small number of watches being made, the cost of keeping all of these running over the life of the watch would be a drop in the bucket compared to most brands marketing budgets.
I’m getting the feeling from this thread alone there are enough Omega’s out there that haven’t seen a drop of oil in the last 20 years to keep you busy for a while.
This reminds me of when people would tell me they got a turntable at the Goodwill for $20 and it ran great- but just wanted my advise on how to get it to run on speed.....🤦
 
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Years ago, I managed a retail jewellery store that carried a high fashion, prestige watch brand of French origin. Name purposely omitted. We had a customer with a gent’s watch that needed work, and he wished to take advantage of the “lifetime” warranty. We sent the watch to the Canadian service centre with instructions to service under warranty. We received a huge estimate for the work, and an explanation that the only thing covered by the “lifetime” warranty was the mainspring! Boy was the owner pi$$ed off. Lifetime warranty, but for what?
 
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One of the few companies I know of that truly honors a full lifetime warranty is Zippo. You can send them any lighter they made, of any vintage- and they will either repair or replace it. They even covered the shipping and supplied free flints and extra wicks the last time I sent them one. And if it has sentimental value and they can’t repair it, they will send it back and give you another Zippo for free. That’s a lifetime warrantee!
 
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Years ago, I managed a retail jewellery store that carried a high fashion, prestige watch brand of French origin. Name purposely omitted. We had a customer with a gent’s watch that needed work, and he wished to take advantage of the “lifetime” warranty. We sent the watch to the Canadian service centre with instructions to service under warranty. We received a huge estimate for the work, and an explanation that the only thing covered by the “lifetime” warranty was the mainspring! Boy was the owner pi$$ed off. Lifetime warranty, but for what?
Why omit the name?
 
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Why omit the name?

Once you put something on the ‘net, it is out there forever! And a Heaven only knows if it might come back to haunt you. So covering my tail, I guess you might say. And anybody who is interested, might be able to infer which French company I am referring to,😉
 
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I got 11 years out of my 2500 Planet Ocean. When it finally did crap out on me it did so by losing several minutes a day but otherwise there was no catastrophic damage to found inside.
 
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i had a 2297.8000 which stopped at 20 years, was serviced at the same cost as what would have been normal servicing (for a 2 tone gold watch). no report of wear or damage.
 
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i had a 2297.8000 which stopped at 20 years, was serviced at the same cost as what would have been normal servicing (for a 2 tone gold watch). no report of wear or damage.

Operates for 20 years without servicing, and stopped! No sign of wear or damage! The stoppage was not the result of wear or damage. Quite remarkable! I really need to think about that one.