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  1. Greatpa Sep 12, 2020

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    This thread is merely created to gather information and to keep track of the early A. Lange & Söhne Lange 1 fitted with closed caseback.
    Information will be primarily be focused on reference 101.001 and 101.002 found in a yellow gold case.

    Other references with solid caseback are 101.005, 101.007, 101.011.(*)

    The Lange 1 was introduced in 1994 together with three other family of watches. The first Lange 1 watch was equipped with solid caseback. Soon after in 1995 the company of Lange also introduced a transparent caseback (ref. 101.021 and 101.022.)(**)

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    Solid caseback models were produced for roughly three years 1994-1997. How many watches did actually leave the factory of Glashütte? Maybe 200-300, but here your guess is as good as mine.(***)


    (*) source 1: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...AkR_pfAPEjNTD7zo2FK7r0W8ZI/edit#gid=775839619)
    (**) source 2: https://100percentpassion.net/2015/05/06/lange-1-die-referenzen/)
    (***) source 3: https://forums.timezone.com/index.php?t=tree&goto=7094990&rid=12189)
     
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  2. Greatpa Sep 12, 2020

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    In October 2019 the online magazine of Hodinkee writes an article highlighting that "Three of the best Lange 1s ever made are up for sale..."(*)
    Among the three Lange 1 is the reference 101.001 with solid caseback. The German based auction house Dr. Crott is offering an example with box and papers estimated to sell between €10-15.000. The auction takes place in November 2019 and the watch hammers at €40.000.(**).

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    (*) source 1: https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/lange-1-honey-gold-steel-closed-back
    (**) source 2: https://www.uhren-muser.de/en/img.h...&tmfilter=&mfilter=Lange &txtfilter=#startlot
     
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  3. Greatpa Sep 12, 2020

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    Again on June 29th 2020 Dr. Crott is offering an example of the A. Lange & Söhne Lange 1 reference 101.001. The watch is sold with both box and papers, but this time has an estimate of €20-25.000. The hammer goes down and the Lange 1 sells for €37.500.(*)
    This auction presumably received less media coverage prior to the auction date compared to Dr. Crott last auction back in November 2019. This could explain the small difference in auction results.


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    (*) source 1: https://www.uhren-muser.de/en/51392/lange-soehne-lange-1-wristwatch#startlot
     
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  4. Marsimaxam Sep 12, 2020

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    Both beautiful watches, and the difference of 2.5 Euro is not that significant in my opinion in an auction where so many variables come in to play. The on going pandemic also could have had influence on the bidders. Both sold for substantially over the auction house's estimate.
     
  5. Greatpa Sep 20, 2020

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    September 20th 2020:
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    Available from a German based dealer is an used example of the A. Lange & Söhne reference 101.005. It comes with neither box or papers, and is priced at €49.890. (*)
    Including the solid case back, this is the the first Lange 1 with a case made out of platinum. Compared to its siblings 101.001 and 101.002 introduced in 1994, the price of the platinum version was 44% higher. The price for gold vs. platinum translates into $19,800 versus $28.600.(**)

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    (*) source 1: https://www.colognewatch.de/kd4692
    (**) source 2: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...AkR_pfAPEjNTD7zo2FK7r0W8ZI/edit#gid=775839619
     
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  6. chichi Sep 24, 2020

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    25000 to 30000 USD is a fair price for a normal Lange One Platinum with see through case back.
     
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  7. Greatpa Nov 16, 2020

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    6th - 7th Novemeber 2020

    At Phillips' Geneva Watch Auction a Lange 1 reference 101.001 with box and papers hammered for CHF50.400 (≈€46.000) including buyer's premium.
    Apart from the original solid gold caseback this set included a transparent caseback. The additional transparent caseback had engraved matching serial number on it, indicating that the owner had it fitted to the watch at a later point. Considering the level of quality and detail of a Lange movement you can understand the urge to mount a display caseback. (*)

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    (*) source 1: https://www.phillips.com/detail/a-lange-sohne/CH080220/83/
     
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  8. spin_transistor Nov 16, 2020

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    Lange 1’s are really lovely in all configurations. Crazy some models can still be had for just under $17k (not the closed back versions certainly), which is a quite the bargain given what other vintage watches can trade for.
     
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  9. Greatpa Dec 20, 2020

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  10. spin_transistor Dec 20, 2020

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    Another 101.001 with the solid case back sold in auction over the weekend for 24.5k euro before buyer’s premium (and import duties, if sending to US/outside of Germany).

    rough conversion:
    24.5k x 1.29 for BP = 31,605 x 1.226 = $38,740

    Duties at no less than 3% brings it all to 39,902 / I’m sure there are % I’m missing in the total.

    When compared with EWC’s offering, there is certainly some upside for buying at auction and handling the logistics yourself.
     
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  11. justcruisin Mar 4, 2021

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    My AD had a unique piece with a solid case back and an incredibly complex dragon etched into the caseback by Lange. Screwed down, no access to see the movement inside. Lange 1 Moonphase.
     
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  12. Grant046 Mar 4, 2021

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    Perhaps a bit off topic, but i'm curious. Is it normal for lange's to keep their value as well as this? Didn't know this was common apart from AP, VC, PP and Rolex.
     
  13. justcruisin Mar 4, 2021

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    EDIT - my comments below were on the non-solid caseback versions. The solid caseback versions do appear like they appreciated quite a bit :).

    As a person that has been obsessively looking at pre-owned vs. new prices...apparently as of 2 years ago, pre-owned box and papers were ~50% of retail for Lange 1 at least. The piece I was looking at - 1998 Lange 1 rose was ~22k-24k pre-owned no box and papers from a very trusted reseller. Seems like prices have creeped up even over the last few months. I would have pulled the trigger on that had it not been for some new features on the moonphase in the 2017-current production.

    It appears that 1815 line may hold its value better. The SS steel odysseus and some of the other more complicated (and more $$) watches seen to be appreciating.
     
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  14. Larry S Color Commentator for the Hyperbole. Mar 4, 2021

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    Lange does such pretty movements. Shame to cover them.
     
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  15. rcs914 Mar 4, 2021

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    And yet today platinum is what? $600 an ounce less than gold? And yet a platinum watch is always FAR more expensive. I realize that there is a difference in the amount of gold at 18k and platinum that is contained, but not enough to explain the cost difference.
     
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  16. eugeneandresson 'I used a hammer, a chisel, and my fingers' Mar 4, 2021

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    I don’t have much to contribute to this thread @Greatpa , but I dig your avatar which happens to be the album cover of one of my favorite albums :thumbsup:
     
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  17. KnoP Mar 5, 2021

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    My father has a lange 01 with glass bottom... love it! Good luck with tracking the solid one!
     
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  18. spin_transistor Mar 9, 2021

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    More time and effort is required to manufacture platinum cases that may contribute to the overall watch cost.

    Hodinkee posted an article on platinum cases ac while back: https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/the-pros-cons-cost-and-convoluted-history-of-platinum
     
  19. Greatpa Mar 19, 2021

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  20. Aludic wonders how, continuously Mar 20, 2021

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    Risking we’re going off topic here; that’s exactly what I’ve complemented @Greatpa on earlier! Good stuff and looking forward to the days when it can be enjoyed in good company, again. :)
     
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