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Jlc 1940's Uniplan - Thoughts On Value ?

  1. SpikiSpikester @ ΩF Staff Member Mar 3, 2013

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    Just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on current fair values for these, particularly the example below. As far as I can make out it is probably a ref 384.

    Thanks !
     
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  2. dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member Mar 3, 2013

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    Dial looks amazing if its original
     
  3. SpikiSpikester @ ΩF Staff Member Mar 3, 2013

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    Comparing it to this 1930's Reverso, it looks original. Or if it is redone it's a very good job.
     
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  4. ulackfocus Mar 3, 2013

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    I'd like to see better pictures because I suspect it's been refinished. There are a few redialers who have dies for JLC.
     
  5. Wheels Mar 4, 2013

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    Dennis, if they have the dies, wouldn't it be practically indistinguishable from the original? (Apart from looking much better than it should for an 80 yr old watch!)
     
  6. ulackfocus Mar 4, 2013

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    Not necessarily. They might have the wrong dye for a particular preiod. Or they might not have all the correct dyes for a specific dial. Even JLC messed up a watch I sent for restoration, putting T SWISS MADE T on a dial that never had lume. They fixed it when I told them it was an error.
     
  7. gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Mar 4, 2013

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    Pretty sure that one's a redial. On an 80 year old watch, I'd expect to see something more like this:

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    Movement would need to have a very low serial number (>200K) to be even thought about as a Uniplan.
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  8. SpikiSpikester @ ΩF Staff Member Mar 4, 2013

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    I agree it's unusual not to see any degradation of the paint at all.

    Turning to value, any thoughts ?

    Another example from Chrono 24, with a 74k serial no:
    https://www.chrono24.com/en/jaegerl...--id2258021.htm?id=2258021&picnum=11&tab=pics

    The dial looks like a ref 411, although I'm not sure if the case is incorrect or has been very overpolished.

    This one looks like a Uniplan movement (6 digit serial no) put into a Reverso case & probably a redial as the second track numbers look a bit thick (although maybe that's just the photo res...):
    https://www.chrono24.com/en/all/uniplan-reverso--id2322388.htm?id=2322388&picnum=0&tab=pics

    That last one looks way too expensive given the above. Typical London dealer prices :rolleyes:
     
  9. gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Mar 4, 2013

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    First one looks very nice. I'm not sure that the 2nd one is a JLC movement. I'd stay away. No clue on value. These Uniplan movement are so similar to other JLC movements used up to the 1950's, I can't see there being a huge premium on them.

    Now the DuoPlans are another story...
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  10. SpikiSpikester @ ΩF Staff Member Mar 4, 2013

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    Did a bit more digging. I'd say the second one looks to be a legit Tavannes movement Reverso with a redial that for some reason says Uniplan and not Reverso . In fact the whole watch and the movement is almost identical to the one on p30 of Zaf Basha's book - except for the "Uniplan" wording.

    The first one isn't crisp enough for me. Neither are on my hitlist, just doing some homework and browsing :whistling:

    The more I look at these, the more it looks like the watch at the top of the thread is a well done restoration job.

    ...and yeah - Duoplans :cool: