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Jakestx
·Anyone seen this oddball before? JB Champion F300 Constellation bracelet? Sure fits my 198.0027 nice
JB Champion bracelet advice?
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amcclell
·To the OP - I have a new Forstner Komfit and it is terrific value. It is very similar to the old one but it is 16mm wide, wheras the old ones are 15mm. The small size model on the new one will fit a 6 inch wrist. The vintage ones only came in one size and 6.75 inches is the smallest wrist they fit.
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Jakestx
·Great looking watch! What does the clasp look like?
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amcclell
·Ha ha, that looks familiar. I used to have that same reference and I put that same bracelet on it. Of course, it might be the same watch, which would make it less of a coincidence.
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Dan S
·This is indeed yours Dan. I bought it from J Penny a year ago shortly after he bought it from you. I'm going to get it serviced this year as it is a keeper. It isn't the clasic el primero design but I happen to like chunky 1970's watches.
Very glad to hear that it stayed in the family and you're enjoying it. And even using the same bracelet! I think they go together well. 👍
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amcclell
·The clasp on the JB is the same as yours. I can't take a photo as it is in the safety deposit box right now. Here is the Forstner on another c case Zenith.
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amcclell
·Another chunky 70's watch that I originally bought the Forstner band for.
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new_heuer
·There is one for sale her attached to a Seamaster 30 https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Omega-Se...951182?hash=item4da4f43b4e:g:VrgAAOSw6SNd2CF4
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amcclell
·They look great on vintage stainless watches - it is a lovely combination.
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michael e
·athom, post: 1438000, member: 37081"]JB bracelet are very cheap and a trend made them very expensive...
You could say that about watches too.
You could say that about watches too.
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Luca.P
·To the OP - I have a new Forstner Komfit and it is terrific value. It is very similar to the old one but it is 16mm wide, wheras the old ones are 15mm. The small size model on the new one will fit a 6 inch wrist. The vintage ones only came in one size and 6.75 inches is the smallest wrist they fit.
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simonsays
·I want to start this off by saying that I clearly don´t know as much about this topic as you do, so please excuse me if this might come off as ignorant, but I would think that NASA was more concerned about astronauts snagging their bracelet and injuring themselves instantaniously rather than as a result of not being able to get free after they got stuck. I imagine a scenario where an astronaut floats in zero G, passes some object with a noticable difference in velocity, snags his bracelet and the continued forward momentum of his body breaks his wrist without the astronaut having the chance of releasing the bracelet before that happens. In such a scenario a bracelet that brakes easily would prevent the astronaut from breaking his wrist, which I think NASA would deem favourable.
Sound like a great idea, although I find the senario equally unlikely, but the breaking strain of the bracelet would have to be very low, making it unusable as a watch strap, I think paper is about as tough as you could go to make this work.
If you think about the fact that NASA bought all watches head only, and then spec'ed Velcro Nato's, not JB Champions, and so having the watches break away and fall off was never in the mix.
What will break first, your wrist or 20mm Nylon webbing?
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amcclell
·Guess not such a oddball...the same minus the omega logo I’m guessing
JB made lots of bracelet styles, some branded JB and some branded for watch companies under license - expanding, mesh, and link types. The folding-style, pressed metal clasp was used by many of the aftermarket suppliers like JB, Kreisler, and Gay Freres on link type bracelets. If you search Ebay you'll find quite a variety.
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simonsays
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This is totally correct. It is a popular misconception that the JB Champion was a cheap alternative bracelet. It can be found in NOS packaging with a $10 price tag. Cheapo bracelet, therefore probably flimsy?
What should be considered is the historical exchange rate between 1965-70 puts $10 at the equivalent of 45 Swiss Francs. The price of a 1039 or 7912 at the time was also 45 Swiss Francs. So it was the same price for an unbranded JB Champion as it was for the Omega standard fitment.
I think the OEM bracelet was seen as flimsy, a hair puller and not reliable for active service. Latterly brand ambassadors have helped Omega spin a better story for Omega.
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Luca.P
·This is totally correct. It is a popular misconception that the JB Champion was a cheap alternative bracelet. It can be found in NOS packaging with a $10 price tag. Cheapo bracelet, therefore probably flimsy?
What should be considered is the historical exchange rate between 1965-70 puts $10 at the equivalent of 45 Swiss Francs. The price of a 1039 or 7912 at the time was also 45 Swiss Francs. So it was the same price for an unbranded JB Champion as it was for the Omega standard fitment.
I think the OEM bracelet was seen as flimsy, a hair puller and not reliable for active service. Latterly brand ambassadors have helped Omega spin a better story for Omega.
I would think that Omega also had more brand recognition at the time, so they probably had better profit margins on the bracelets than JCB, which would mean the Omega bracelet was actually cheaper to manufacture?
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Luca.P
·Sound like a great idea, although I find the senario equally unlikely, but the breaking strain of the bracelet would have to be very low, making it unusable as a watch strap, I think paper is about as tough as you could go to make this work.
If you think about the fact that NASA bought all watches head only, and then spec'ed Velcro Nato's, not JB Champions, and so having the watches break away and fall off was never in the mix.
What will break first, your wrist or 20mm Nylon webbing?
(Not sure if JBC is an American company?)
And the JBC bracelets were more easily adjustable obviously.
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simonsays
·There is documentation showing that it was NASA who purchased the JBs, not the individual astronauts,
Can you please provide a link or picture
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