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Jaeger LeCoultre Uniplan rectangular vintage

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Hello.
I would like to ask you to verify the authenticity of this watch. I have searched probably all over the internet and I can't find anything similar with a "SWISS T" dial I am not an expert on JLC, but I really like rectangular watches from the 1940s and I came across a rare case or folding copy. I would appreciate any help.








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Blued steel hands with luminous figures? I'd say redial at least.
 
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The case may very well be original and correct, but we would need to see the markings inside. The dial looks to be a very high quality redial, although it could be a much newer service dial. It would be almost impossible for a radium dial to survive in that condition for 80 years.

The “T” on the dial is for tritium which was used for dials in the 1960’s and later.

The watch presents very nicely and if the price was right, it would be a great addition to a vintage JLC collection.
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I already bought this watch, but when the cover is on there was no "SWISS T" visible now I have a problem because I can't find anything from that period with a "T" and I don't know if it's redial or altered hands. In the morning I will try to open it from the movement side.
 
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Hands could be replacements, but look correct for the period.

A lot can happen over 80 years. All original watches from that period are seldom seen.
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Hands could be replacements, but look correct for the period.

A lot can happen over 80 years. All original watches from that period are seldom seen.
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Thanks for your commitment. I didn't last until the morning, I took the watch apart and you can see the inside a bit. Will it be possible to move forward in the evaluation based on these photos ?


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I was able to find an ad for a very similar watch to yours:

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https://blommanwatchreport.com/2020/09/23/jaeger-lecoultre-reference-2400-the-t-w-o-in-one/

The movement has a very low serial number. It could date from before the merger of Jaeger and LeCoultre in 1937. My guess is that the original dial was branded only LeCoultre.

I only know a little bit about JLC watches from this era. I would suggest that you contact the author of the article cited above or Zaf Basha of ClassicWatches.com. Zaf literally wrote the book on vintage JLC watches. You can register and post questions here: https://www.classicwatch.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=12263&sid=2b3677716886e68de460d681598cb5a9

Take care,
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I was able to find an ad for a very similar watch to yours:

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https://blommanwatchreport.com/2020/09/23/jaeger-lecoultre-reference-2400-the-t-w-o-in-one/

The movement has a very low serial number. It could date from before the merger of Jaeger and LeCoultre in 1937. My guess is that the original dial was branded only LeCoultre.

I only know a little bit about JLC watches from this era. I would suggest that you contact the author of the article cited above or Zaf Basha of ClassicWatches.com. Zaf literally wrote the book on vintage JLC watches. You can register and post questions here: https://www.classicwatch.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=12263&sid=2b3677716886e68de460d681598cb5a9

Take care,
gatorcpa


Thank you very much for your help. I already have a clue thanks to your involvement. This watch from the ad is indeed similar.
 
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skand skand
Thank you very much for your help. I already have a clue thanks to your involvement. This watch from the ad is indeed similar.
So what do you think?
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So what do you think?
gatorcpa

I don't have a formed opinion, JLC is a new subject for me. Dial looks original just should not be there Jaeger. Tomorrow I will ask on the forum to which you provided a link. If the watch was clearly repainted then I would resent myself for being inattentive and let it go, but you can see for yourself that there are a lot of puzzles .
 
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Note that the watch in the ad does not have lumed figures.

In addition to the lume issue and the Jaeger-LeCoultre printing with a LeCoultre only movement, the dial seems far to clean to be original. Just my semi-informed two cents.
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Is it posible that this is an indelible dial and it has been cleaned or re-brushed and then re-lumed? @skand Below is an indelible dial for reference. Maybe you can see how the printing looks sort of raised above the surface of the dial? Still curious about the "T", though.

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You are right Gentlemen, but what puzzles me is why, since the original dial had no luminescent elements, the inscription was shorter: LeCutre, no Swiss inscription, they were added. Someone did a brilliant restoration and left a mark for future generations not to treat this watch as original ?
 
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skand skand
You are right Gentlemen, but what puzzles me is why, since the original dial had no luminescent elements, the inscription was shorter: LeCutre, no Swiss inscription, they were added. Someone did a brilliant restoration and left a mark for future generations not to treat this watch as original ?

It was nicely done but not brilliant. If it were brilliant they wouldn't have added lume or "Jaeger" when refinishing the dial. If nothing else the "T" is a dead giveaway that this is a redial.
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I got a reply from zafbasha on the JLC forum that the dial is from the 60s and is not from this watch. Now I have a request to you guys what do you advise me 1- look for a dial from the 40's from the time of origin of the rest of the watch, 2- give it to be repainted, 3- leave it as it is ?
 
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Agree that it may have been refinished or it's a later service dial. I'd either do 1 or 3 - it looks nice as-is. If you have it redone there is no guarantee that they would end up doing a better job.
 
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There is a black dial from this era on Ebay for $600 but it is not even close to the condition of the case and movement. It also looks nice as it is, but I'm nervous about the Jaeger and the T, which clearly point to the 1960s. I don't know what to do because I can give it a repaint and wear it, waiting for maybe an original dial in good condition will turn up
 
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skand skand
I got a reply from zafbasha on the JLC forum that the dial is from the 60s and is not from this watch. Now I have a request to you guys what do you advise me 1- look for a dial from the 40's from the time of origin of the rest of the watch, 2- give it to be repainted, 3- leave it as it is ?
Option 3. I think it quite attractive. But I wouldn’t overpay for it
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