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  1. Modest_Proposal Trying too hard to be one of the cool kids Oct 12, 2016

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    Please provide your opinions.
     
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  2. Jwit Not a doctor, but plays one on ΩF Oct 12, 2016

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    No pro, just noticed from zooming on my phone... The seconds markers between 12 and 1 o clock look a little uneven in their spacing from the center of the dial compared to the rest of it.
     
  3. Mods I'm not really an ΩF mod but I play one on TV Oct 12, 2016

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    Going with my gut I would say redial.
    The finish of the white background seems odd to me, like a wall that still needs another coat of paint.
    I can see the same effect in the grey going in the opposite direction, so perhaps this is as it was originally made.
    Also maybe its just my eyes but the circle seems skewed slightly. perhaps its my eyes or the angle of the picture.
    Sometimes when you look for problems you find them...I would say that it redial or not, it's still a handsome watch.
     
  4. ConElPueblo Oct 12, 2016

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    No idea whether or not it's a redial, but I think it looks amazing! :thumbsup:::love::
     
  5. Rman Oct 12, 2016

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    I'm calling redial. I can't recall another where the L and W touch like that.
     
  6. Modest_Proposal Trying too hard to be one of the cool kids Oct 12, 2016

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    There are other examples of it. Not sure the implications of it.
     
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  7. Modest_Proposal Trying too hard to be one of the cool kids Oct 12, 2016

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    The white (middle) part of the dial has what is called a grained finish. It was not uncommon with watches of this era. I wouldn't call that a definitive clue one way or the other. I have attached a picture of one with horizontal graining.
     
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  8. AAAKK First listing in the ΩF B2B phone book Oct 12, 2016

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    A little irregular in the lettering so I'd go with a redial

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  9. Jonatan Oct 12, 2016

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    I think it's a redial.

    Having a look at my old IWC fournitures book (see pictures) I find it odd that the L of International touches the W of Watch. I don't have enough experience to offer a 100% guarantee but @Tony C. will be able to answer correctly.
     
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  10. Rman Oct 12, 2016

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    Can you find one with good honest patina?
     
  11. Jonatan Oct 12, 2016

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    Apologies should have read down a little more.
     
  12. Tony C. Ωf Jury member Oct 12, 2016

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    It may be a redial, but I'm not certain. Why? Well, first, because IWC outsourced their dial work to more than one company, and there were some variations over the decades. Secondly, the case, hands and markers appear to be in exceptionally good condition. I would need to see more photos, but if the case and movements are both excellent+, it would be odd tthat a dial replacement would have been necessary.

    If it's a redial, it's quite good.
     
  13. Modest_Proposal Trying too hard to be one of the cool kids Oct 12, 2016

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    Tony and others,

    Here are some other examples - some with.... maybe patina. I honestly don't know what to make of this.
     
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  14. X350 XJR Vintage Omega Aficionado Oct 12, 2016

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    It would take a very special tool(s) to get the minute track done correctly.

    They are cut into the face of the dial but have a raised center as well.

    The vertical and horizontal brushing is also quite tricky. This one also appears to have a satin finish around the minute track adding yet another level of difficulty.
     
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  15. Rman Oct 12, 2016

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    Wise man once ask, "If it's so good you can't tell, does it matter?"
    Other dude say, "post picture on IWC forum."
     
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  16. vintagecaliber Oct 13, 2016

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    All redone 100% as well as the two-tone posted in the beginning.
     
  17. JimInOz Melbourne Australia Oct 13, 2016

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    I would say a redial. Blobby font, not inked consistently. I expect much crisper stamps on an IWC.

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  18. peire06 Oct 24, 2016

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    If I were to take a guess I would say redial based on second markers. However, if it's redial, it's very well done. Rman was referring to the wise man who asked whether it matters if one can't tell the difference. I agree with both Rman and the wise man.
     
  19. cchen Dec 8, 2016

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    What are some telltale signs for IWC's of this era? Many have simple dials and applied numerals and markers. Is it all in the logo and text printing?
     
  20. gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Dec 8, 2016

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    To me, these are the only two pictures that matter in the thread:

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    As @Tony C. stated, IWC used many contractors to produce dials. As a result the fonts may vary slightly. The fonts on these two look the same, including the "l touching W" described above. Both have "Swiss" at the bottom of the dial, as appropriate for IWC.

    IMO, either these are both original or both redialed by the same outfit (not that this solves anything).

    The hands on the silver watch (steel?) look like they match the overall style better than the hands on the gold one.

    Lugs look the same My guess is that the cases carry the same reference number.

    My suggestion would be to make a post over at the Vintage IWC Forum, and ask the real experts.
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