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Is this Longines 13ZN dial factory original? I'm not sure...

  1. Modest_Proposal Trying too hard to be one of the cool kids Nov 8, 2013

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    I'm torn:

    Reason pointing to it being not original:

    1. The minute counter subdial is more off center than the left subdial.

    2. The subdial hands are the same. usually, chrono hands are different.

    3. The "10" is encroaching upon the constant seconds subdial. I don't believe that's supposed to happen.

    4. I don't see Swiss Made - but it could be behind the glass.

    Reasons pointing to it being original:

    1. I've check a bunch of 13zn's and the minute counter subdial usually does seem a little farther away from the center than the constant seconds subdial.

    2. The hands of the watch all seem to fit correctly. in their dial positions.

    3. The dial seems at least moderately aged.

    What do you guys think?

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  2. ulackfocus Nov 8, 2013

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    Looks like an older redial. The fonts are wrong.
     
  3. Time Exposure coordinates his cast with his car's paint job Nov 8, 2013

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    The hour 12 seems misaligned with the 60-second mark above it. Or is it an optical illusion caused by a sweep hand that is not centered? Or bent? And why an open 6 at 60-seconds above the 12-hour, and open 6 at the 6-hour, but closed 6 on the constant seconds sub dial (at 9)?

    I used to think I could spot redials a mile away but now...:(
     
  4. CanberraOmega Rabbitohs and Whisky Supporter Nov 8, 2013

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    And the numbers in the subdials are unevenly inked
     
  5. Modest_Proposal Trying too hard to be one of the cool kids Nov 9, 2013

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    All good points.
     
  6. LarryG not KennyG, not OG, just LarryG Nov 12, 2013

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    This one sold a few months back on ebay, out of the Ukraine. I believe the dial is a recent fabrication with faux aging. I understand the cravings for a 13zn, but I'd hold out for a better example.
     
  7. CdnWatchDoc Nov 12, 2013

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    EEK! Ukraine!!
    Run away!! Fast!
     
  8. dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member Nov 12, 2013

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    A lot of people have managed to fish some good stuff out of South America, Ukraine on the other hand is another story.
     
  9. ulackfocus Nov 12, 2013

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    From your keyboard to the Watch Gods' ears.

    If you have experience or help, you can snag nice stuff from South America. You need to know what Swiss markings are on your target so you can be sure it's not a South American locally made recase, you really need to see dial macros to assure originality, and you should be up to speed on the correct parts (crown style, crystal shape / magnifier, lug shape, etc) so you don't get a dud.

    Stay away from watches from the Ukraine. Always.
     
  10. LouS Mrs Nataf's Other Son Staff Member Nov 12, 2013

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    Right. I have heard of the rare correct find from South America, Thailand, even India, but never the Ukraine (excepting perhaps the rare Poljot).